419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:50 PM
whats your favorite os? i prefer windows 7 and android (because i love java) altough i do also use ubuntu
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Started by ETHANATOR360, 18 May 2013 - 08:50 PM
504 posts
Seattle, WA
Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:51 PM
Out of all of the operating systems that I've used, I personally like Windows 8 the best.
419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:54 PM
wow really? i thought metro UI was terrible and cluttered although i do like the live feed icons but i guess thats an opinion
504 posts
Seattle, WA
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:01 PM
I keep my start screen fairly clean and anything use on a daily basis is in my task bar when I switch to the desktop.
Here are screenshots of both:
Desktop
Start Screen
Here are screenshots of both:
Desktop
Start Screen
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:06 PM
Linux Mint FTW. It's way faster than other distros, uses less resources, is stable, has a nice set of default programs, and manages to have that nice balance between customizability, attractiveness, and lightweight-ness.
And yeah, W8 isn't really that bad. It's better than 7 imo. I prefer more simplistic interfaces and themes. I refer to both the Metro UI and the desktop theme. Plus, having an updated version of windows is generally better in the longrun for software compatibility and support.
And yeah, W8 isn't really that bad. It's better than 7 imo. I prefer more simplistic interfaces and themes. I refer to both the Metro UI and the desktop theme. Plus, having an updated version of windows is generally better in the longrun for software compatibility and support.
419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:17 PM
i just never liked leaving the desktop to launch a program
839 posts
England
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:43 PM
I use Windows 7. I have seen Windows 8 and while I like the new window border, I haven't seen enough of it to make me get it. I don't hate it, I just don't think what I've seen of it warrants spending the money when 7 is still good.
Never used any form of Unix system and I'm unlikely to any time soon. It's not that I don't like them, it's just that It would be too much effort and right now I have more important things to do. Plus I don't want to have to run C# through Mono or get the Linux versions of the programs I have, it's just effort.
I will use Linux someday when I can afford a better computer for my main stuff and a secondary netbook for Linux.
Never used any form of Unix system and I'm unlikely to any time soon. It's not that I don't like them, it's just that It would be too much effort and right now I have more important things to do. Plus I don't want to have to run C# through Mono or get the Linux versions of the programs I have, it's just effort.
I will use Linux someday when I can afford a better computer for my main stuff and a secondary netbook for Linux.
839 posts
England
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:55 PM
Out of interest, did you know that technically android doesn't actually run Java bytecode?whats your favorite os? i prefer windows 7 and android (because i love java) altough i do also use ubuntu
So it could in theory run code written in any language.
97 posts
Ohio, USA
Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:57 PM
I have a MacBook Pro, and it crashes. The video card is ok, but I also have a HP Touchsmart TX2 with Windows 7, and apart from the video card, it's amazing.
72 posts
Washing a ton state USA, North America, Earth, The Universe, The Multiverse (If that exists)
Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:58 AM
Windows 8 only works on tablets/smartphones/touch screen devices. Ios sucks and Linux is cool. Ubuntu is weird.
242 posts
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:02 AM
Windows 8 only works on tablets/smartphones/touch screen devices. Ios sucks and Linux is cool. Ubuntu is weird.
Wish my 10.04 disk is still there
839 posts
England
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:14 AM
Can we make a "you must give reasons for liking|disliking things, not just fanboy|hate over them" rule?
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:18 AM
W8 works better wihout a touchscreen than with, actually. I still don't know why people say this.Windows 8 only works on tablets/smartphones/touch screen devices. Ios sucks and Linux is cool. Ubuntu is weird.
504 posts
Seattle, WA
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:31 AM
Can we make a "you must give reasons for liking|disliking things, not just fanboy|hate over them" rule?
That and, unfortunately, internet forums are often not places in which people recognize the universal law of "to each his" own when it comes to preferences and other subjective matters.
Dat internet.
839 posts
England
Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:05 AM
Can we make a "you must give reasons for liking|disliking things, not just fanboy|hate over them" rule?
That and, unfortunately, internet forums are often not places in which people recognize the universal law of "to each his" own when it comes to preferences and other subjective matters.
Dat internet.
I would hope that everyone here is just about civilised enough to accept such a rule if the thread creator instated it as a rule.
I'm being optimistic about human nature for once, I say we allow the rule on those grounds alone lol
7508 posts
Australia
Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:20 AM
Personally I do prefer anything UNIX, but due to the nature of work I perform OS X is definitely my OS of choice.
It is much better imo too. It uses way less resources, Windows Aero was something that shouldn't have lasted as long as it did.And yeah, W8 isn't really that bad. It's better than 7 imo.
Well it would need a runtime for any language that isn't C/C++, just like Java running through the Dalvik runtime.So it could in theory run code written in any language.
570 posts
Germany
Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:31 AM
I prefer OSX/Linux because they are UNIX systems. Also for OSX there is xCode, which is my favourite IDE. I still use windows a lot, but most times more for gaming than development.
839 posts
England
Posted 19 May 2013 - 04:09 AM
Well it would need a runtime for any language that isn't C/C++, just like Java running through the Dalvik runtime.So it could in theory run code written in any language.
And therein lies the 'in theory' part of my statement.
Although if someone made a bytecode translator, they could make other languages or bytecode convert to Dalvik bytecode (obviously permitting for missing features such as function pointers, unless the Dalvik VM can emulate their functionality. Last time I checked, it couldn't).
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 19 May 2013 - 04:53 AM
I just installed Windows 8 on my PC today and I have to say I do like it. However, I'd have to say OS X.
I swear, this thread is going to get locked sooner or later. It's not a question of if, but when. They always do.
I swear, this thread is going to get locked sooner or later. It's not a question of if, but when. They always do.
839 posts
England
Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:01 AM
I just installed Windows 8 on my PC today and I have to say I do like it. However, I'd have to say OS X.
I swear, this thread is going to get locked sooner or later. It's not a question of if, but when. They always do.
This is why I asked for that ruling.
1243 posts
Indiana, United States
Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:10 AM
Windows 8 and Android 4.2.
A bit of Debian 6 on the side.
Some Ubuntu to drink.
Finally, for dessert I'd like a dab of CentOS.
A bit of Debian 6 on the side.
Some Ubuntu to drink.
Finally, for dessert I'd like a dab of CentOS.
1190 posts
RHIT
Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:29 AM
I personally enjoy any operating system that I can run all of my favorite applications on - which just so happens to be about all of the mainstream ones. I've used Linux (quite a few different variants), Mac, Windows XP, and Windows 7. Not used Windows 8 yet, but maybe someday.
I actually enjoyed the old look of Windows XP, although performance-wise I would rate Windows 7 a bit higher. Mac is… well, let's just say that I like the performance and everything else is just okay. Linux I love, but at the same time it comes with a fairly steep learning curve which not everybody enjoys. It forced me to get familiar with make and GCC though, so that's a plus.
I actually enjoyed the old look of Windows XP, although performance-wise I would rate Windows 7 a bit higher. Mac is… well, let's just say that I like the performance and everything else is just okay. Linux I love, but at the same time it comes with a fairly steep learning curve which not everybody enjoys. It forced me to get familiar with make and GCC though, so that's a plus.
686 posts
Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:42 AM
Windows 7 for me. I just can't get used to windows 8. I have it installed on my admin VM on my VMWare server, and I have several Windows Server 2012 boxes, and I just don't feel as productive with them as I do on my Windows 7 desktop. (Although if it was a choice I'd probably say my favorite OS is Server 2012. An amazing improvement over 2008 in every way!)
As for OSX… I can only laugh. It's not so much an OS as it is a closed platform including the hardware. Therefore, however good it got, I could never support it. Fortunately for me, I can't stand the OSX interface so it's not a problem.
As for OSX… I can only laugh. It's not so much an OS as it is a closed platform including the hardware. Therefore, however good it got, I could never support it. Fortunately for me, I can't stand the OSX interface so it's not a problem.
389 posts
Norway
Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:45 PM
Oh dear god, another one of these.
Behave or this will be locked in no time.
On topic:
I'd prefer anything that isn't Windows. Can't have it installed more than a year before it kills itself(and needs yet another reinstall), and before that it just progresivly get more and more broken. Sadly enough I need to live with that pain untill games are supported properly on linux :P/>
Behave or this will be locked in no time.
On topic:
I'd prefer anything that isn't Windows. Can't have it installed more than a year before it kills itself(and needs yet another reinstall), and before that it just progresivly get more and more broken. Sadly enough I need to live with that pain untill games are supported properly on linux :P/>
7508 posts
Australia
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:24 PM
I've had similar experiences, its the reason that I've completely abandoned Windows. If a unit at University wants me to install a Windows only program, I find an alternative and tell them that they should teach better and cater for all students :P/>I'd prefer anything that isn't Windows. Can't have it installed more than a year before it kills itself(and needs yet another reinstall), and before that it just progresivly get more and more broken. Sadly enough I need to live with that pain untill games are supported properly on linux :P/>
2447 posts
Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:48 PM
Can we make a "you must give reasons for liking|disliking things, not just fanboy|hate over them" rule?
100% agreed!
I'm impressed with the behavior in this thread so far - thanks for keeping it civil.
770 posts
In My Lonely Little Computer Corner
Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:06 PM
I love OS X, even though I don't have a mac. I love the OS, but I cannot afford a mac. I wish they would legalize hackintoshes.
19 posts
Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:43 PM
My favorite OS is definitely Linux because of the customization and the amazing command line.
I currently run Arch Linux, but I've also had rather good experience with Ubuntu and Debian.
My phone runs Android 4.2 which I also really like.
I currently run Arch Linux, but I've also had rather good experience with Ubuntu and Debian.
My phone runs Android 4.2 which I also really like.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:41 PM
I'm personally very OS agnostic. I've got a Macbook Pro, my desktop has a Windows 8 on my main SSD and Linux Mint on another harddrive (a pain in the ass to dualboot because my UEFI for some reason isn't recognizing Legacy bootloaders even though I've got legacy bootloaders enabled). It all really depends on the situation.
I use my Macbook for anything that doesn't need a whole lot of power (because, let's face it, laptops aren't exactly powerhouses). This would include light gaming, web dev, and anything of that sorts.
My desktop is used primarily for programming and heavy gaming, mostly in the Windows partition for gaming, Linux for programming.
I also have an ESXi hypervisor server on my old desktop that hosts a Windows 7 VM and a Redhat Workstation (for my minecraft server and the likes) VM.
Of all the OSes I've used, I really like Windows 8. I avoid Metro like the plague because I feel it hinders productivity more than anything else, but other than that, I feel the OS itself performs a noticeable amount better than Windows 7 on the exact same hardware.
My least favorite of all of my OS installs would be my Linux Mint install, mostly because it has some issues with my desktop hardware and compatible drivers.
As for mobiles, I really don't enjoy either Android or iOS. iOS is too closed off, so I don't have the option of running my own applications on it without purchasing the dev license (which if I don't intend to release to the iOS market is pretty pointless, IMO), and Android just has such a mess of hardware that I've seen applications work on one phone, yet not work on another. So, both to me aren't really worth using, whether it be from being so locked down, or literally being too open (I didn't honestly used to think that was possible, but once you start dealing with ARM processors, it comes into view all too quickly).
I use my Macbook for anything that doesn't need a whole lot of power (because, let's face it, laptops aren't exactly powerhouses). This would include light gaming, web dev, and anything of that sorts.
My desktop is used primarily for programming and heavy gaming, mostly in the Windows partition for gaming, Linux for programming.
I also have an ESXi hypervisor server on my old desktop that hosts a Windows 7 VM and a Redhat Workstation (for my minecraft server and the likes) VM.
Of all the OSes I've used, I really like Windows 8. I avoid Metro like the plague because I feel it hinders productivity more than anything else, but other than that, I feel the OS itself performs a noticeable amount better than Windows 7 on the exact same hardware.
My least favorite of all of my OS installs would be my Linux Mint install, mostly because it has some issues with my desktop hardware and compatible drivers.
As for mobiles, I really don't enjoy either Android or iOS. iOS is too closed off, so I don't have the option of running my own applications on it without purchasing the dev license (which if I don't intend to release to the iOS market is pretty pointless, IMO), and Android just has such a mess of hardware that I've seen applications work on one phone, yet not work on another. So, both to me aren't really worth using, whether it be from being so locked down, or literally being too open (I didn't honestly used to think that was possible, but once you start dealing with ARM processors, it comes into view all too quickly).
419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:09 PM
why dont you jailbreak ios and run unsigned code?I'm personally very OS agnostic. I've got a Macbook Pro, my desktop has a Windows 8 on my main SSD and Linux Mint on another harddrive (a pain in the ass to dualboot because my UEFI for some reason isn't recognizing Legacy bootloaders even though I've got legacy bootloaders enabled). It all really depends on the situation.
I use my Macbook for anything that doesn't need a whole lot of power (because, let's face it, laptops aren't exactly powerhouses). This would include light gaming, web dev, and anything of that sorts.
My desktop is used primarily for programming and heavy gaming, mostly in the Windows partition for gaming, Linux for programming.
I also have an ESXi hypervisor server on my old desktop that hosts a Windows 7 VM and a Redhat Workstation (for my minecraft server and the likes) VM.
Of all the OSes I've used, I really like Windows 8. I avoid Metro like the plague because I feel it hinders productivity more than anything else, but other than that, I feel the OS itself performs a noticeable amount better than Windows 7 on the exact same hardware.
My least favorite of all of my OS installs would be my Linux Mint install, mostly because it has some issues with my desktop hardware and compatible drivers.
As for mobiles, I really don't enjoy either Android or iOS. iOS is too closed off, so I don't have the option of running my own applications on it without purchasing the dev license (which if I don't intend to release to the iOS market is pretty pointless, IMO), and Android just has such a mess of hardware that I've seen applications work on one phone, yet not work on another. So, both to me aren't really worth using, whether it be from being so locked down, or literally being too open (I didn't honestly used to think that was possible, but once you start dealing with ARM processors, it comes into view all too quickly).
1619 posts
Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:27 AM
I like almost all PC operating systems. I personally use Windows 8, but I see pros and cons of OSX and Linux. However, for smartphones, I was thoroughly disappointed with Android. It was buggy, ugly, and the actually hardware was junk, and the auto-updater was broken.
92 posts
Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:41 AM
On normal computers - Linux, specifically Fedora, due to my dad's experience with Redhat systems. (Not so much important now, since I can handle it much better than I could 2-3 years ago) Not to mention the fact I dislike the Debian way of sudo-ing for everything. Meh. YMMV. I most prefer Linux as it respects the user, me, above all else. None of that locking down crap or anything like that.
On my phone - Android Linux, 4.0 specifically. Love it because it's Linux and Google. (See above, although it doesn't do nearly as good of a job of respect as I'd like… but there's always iOS… *shiver*)
On my phone - Android Linux, 4.0 specifically. Love it because it's Linux and Google. (See above, although it doesn't do nearly as good of a job of respect as I'd like… but there's always iOS… *shiver*)
570 posts
Germany
Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:01 AM
Why aren't you just making one? The chances that you get caught are almost 0%I love OS X, even though I don't have a mac. I love the OS, but I cannot afford a mac. I wish they would legalize hackintoshes.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:33 AM
why dont you jailbreak ios and run unsigned code?…
I'm very strange about things like that. While I'd like to jailbreak it, and likely will in the future, right now since I'm still paying for the phone (still being in contract and all), I feel the small chance of messing the phone itself up isn't worth the benefits. Plus, since the iOS Chrome browser has fairly decent HTML5 support, I'm at least able to write some applications and just use a browser for them, which is more than sufficient for me. At least for now, anyway.
770 posts
In My Lonely Little Computer Corner
Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:02 PM
Why aren't you just making one? The chances that you get caught are almost 0%I love OS X, even though I don't have a mac. I love the OS, but I cannot afford a mac. I wish they would legalize hackintoshes.
It's 75% now that you said it. :D/>
587 posts
Wrocław, Poland
Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:13 PM
Duh, Ubuntu Server + Byobu + XUBUNTU FTW
Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.I like almost all PC operating systems. I personally use Windows 8, but I see pros and cons of OSX and Linux. However, for smartphones, I was thoroughly disappointed with Android. It was buggy, ugly, and the actually hardware was junk, and the auto-updater was broken.
770 posts
In My Lonely Little Computer Corner
Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:31 PM
Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.
Agreed. It's awesome.
1619 posts
Posted 20 May 2013 - 07:04 PM
Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.
Agreed. It's awesome.
Maybe, but I had the Optimus. (I think) It was tiny, had a terrible battery life, and only had the hard drive space for about 5 apps.
419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:06 PM
thats good news i was going to buy a nexus 7 with its brilliant (for a tablet) 1.3 ghz quad-core tegra 3 proccessor :P/>Duh, Ubuntu Server + Byobu + XUBUNTU FTWAndroid on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.I like almost all PC operating systems. I personally use Windows 8, but I see pros and cons of OSX and Linux. However, for smartphones, I was thoroughly disappointed with Android. It was buggy, ugly, and the actually hardware was junk, and the auto-updater was broken.
770 posts
In My Lonely Little Computer Corner
Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:14 PM
Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.
Agreed. It's awesome.
Maybe, but I had the Optimus. (I think) It was tiny, had a terrible battery life, and only had the hard drive space for about 5 apps.
Well, it's not a nexus. :)/>
1619 posts
Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:07 PM
Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.
Agreed. It's awesome.
Maybe, but I had the Optimus. (I think) It was tiny, had a terrible battery life, and only had the hard drive space for about 5 apps.
Well, it's not a nexus. :)/>
I'm sure it was just the hardware. But Android is only meh, imo.
1114 posts
UK
Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:45 PM
Linux Mint FTW.
And yeah, W8 isn't really that bad. It's better than 7 imo.
Yeah, I use Linux Mint (I would +1 you but I have run out of +1's)
22 posts
Virginia, USA
Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:28 PM
OSX is best for a home computer, because of all the innovative features and smooth layout and the fact that stuff is where it makes sense to be (not to mention the amazing file browser which even has anti-gravity, un-sorted positions for files, and CUSTOM BACKGROUNDS!) But for any kind of server or anything, Windows hands down. And if you have any touch-screens laying around, Windows 8 is fun.
19 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:42 AM
You were probably using a version of Android that was heavily customized by the phone vendor, which from what I have seen can cause some pretty ugly results.Android on Nexus 7 is just gorgeous.
Agreed. It's awesome.
Maybe, but I had the Optimus. (I think) It was tiny, had a terrible battery life, and only had the hard drive space for about 5 apps.
Well, it's not a nexus. :)/>
I'm sure it was just the hardware. But Android is only meh, imo.
Have a look at this. This is how Android on a phone is really like.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:44 AM
… But for any kind of server or anything, Windows hands down. …
Linux is hugely more prominent in the server world >.>
686 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:09 AM
No, it really isn't. Linux geeks tell themselves that, but it's not. In datacenters on web hosts, perhaps, but not on servers that are actually doing something.… But for any kind of server or anything, Windows hands down. …
Linux is hugely more prominent in the server world >.>
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:23 AM
No, it really isn't. Linux geeks tell themselves that, but it's not. In datacenters on web hosts, perhaps, but not on servers that are actually doing something.… But for any kind of server or anything, Windows hands down. …
Linux is hugely more prominent in the server world >.>
I'd have to say that webhosts make up a majority of servers, as well, a lot of companies are moving to virtualization for their servers, which means most of the physical servers are still running a Linux host OS (ESXi runs on a modified Redhat kernel during start up which becomes it's first guest after it's own kernel is loaded, Xen is run atop Linux distrobutions, KVM is run atop Linux distrobutions, etc).
Though, numbers seem to conflict, some sources saying Linux has 60%, others saying it has as low as 20% for publicly visible webservers.
Also, I'm pretty OS agnostic, so I'm not at all a "Linux geek". I do prefer using Linux-based servers because, let's face it, I'd rather the OS using only 80MB of ram compared to 700MB (I've never played with Windows Server core, so it might actually fix this complaint of Windows Server for me) that I've seen ending up very common on Windows servers. In the end, it's all up to preference and one isn't really better than the other, since one is far easier to configure (Windows server has some fantastic tools), while the other one has minimal overhead.
645 posts
'Merica
Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:46 AM
Windows 7, I don't like Windows 8 since its to much like the Windows OS for a smartphone. Also OSX in my opinion isn't the greatest either, due to the fact you can't play as many games on it than you can both Linux and Windows. Also Apple Inc. limits how well you computer can run, so without editing that yourself, your computer wont run at its best. And they also f*ck people over with there iPhones, they limited your signal strength for Wifi, so without jailbreaking it, (again) it will not run at its best. Linux is nice, I only tried it once, though I perfer Windows since I'm used to it, I wouldn't mind trying Linux out any day.
1 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:13 PM
I'm very much for linux myself, after 7 years now, and there is no reason for me to use windows, I still have it on my machine if something for some reason only should work in it, but well, the last 5 years I haven't used it. The ability to completely being able to change the operating system to what I want is what I like the most about it. And arch linux is the one that I've stuck with for the last 3 years. I have to say it's the best one :)/>
686 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:11 PM
Let's face it, 700MB is nothing these days when a server can come with 64GB of RAM for chump change. Physical RAM is way outscaling the RAM used by OSes. Plus a Windows server running 700MB of RAM has quite a bit more already going than a Linux one out of the box at 80MB. And yeah, the new Server Manager and tools for Server 2012 are fantastic. You can manage a whole datacenter of Windows servers using only Server Manager and tools accessible from Server Manager if you so choose.No, it really isn't. Linux geeks tell themselves that, but it's not. In datacenters on web hosts, perhaps, but not on servers that are actually doing something.… But for any kind of server or anything, Windows hands down. …
Linux is hugely more prominent in the server world >.>
I'd have to say that webhosts make up a majority of servers, as well, a lot of companies are moving to virtualization for their servers, which means most of the physical servers are still running a Linux host OS (ESXi runs on a modified Redhat kernel during start up which becomes it's first guest after it's own kernel is loaded, Xen is run atop Linux distrobutions, KVM is run atop Linux distrobutions, etc).
Though, numbers seem to conflict, some sources saying Linux has 60%, others saying it has as low as 20% for publicly visible webservers.
Also, I'm pretty OS agnostic, so I'm not at all a "Linux geek". I do prefer using Linux-based servers because, let's face it, I'd rather the OS using only 80MB of ram compared to 700MB (I've never played with Windows Server core, so it might actually fix this complaint of Windows Server for me) that I've seen ending up very common on Windows servers. In the end, it's all up to preference and one isn't really better than the other, since one is far easier to configure (Windows server has some fantastic tools), while the other one has minimal overhead.
Yeah, a lot of webservers run Linux, I'll give you that, but more corporate servers are still running Windows as the main workhorse OS, even if it's virtualized. And a lot of people are giving Hyper-V a try too with the major improvements they've made in Server 2012.
242 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:20 PM
OSX FTW.
Win 8 Sux.
Win 7 Half Sux.
WinXP FTW.
iOS WTF
Galaxy Note 2 LTE + CleanROM FTW.
Ubuntu Half Sux.
Ubuntu 10.04 FTW.
Win 8 Sux.
Win 7 Half Sux.
WinXP FTW.
iOS WTF
Galaxy Note 2 LTE + CleanROM FTW.
Ubuntu Half Sux.
Ubuntu 10.04 FTW.
242 posts
Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:41 PM
OOps,FTWI don't think BTW means what you think it means…
93 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:52 AM
I'm using Windows 8 now, but I LOVE OS X the best. My second choice (If I could have one) would also be windows 8.Out of all of the operating systems that I've used, I personally like Windows 8 the best.
242 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:40 AM
If you stick with Mac Mac 10.8 is good.
If you stick with Windows Windows XP is the best.
If you stick with Linux go for Mint 14 cinnamon
If you stick with iPhone go for iOS
If you stick with android go with MIUI or CleanROM.
If you stick with Windows Windows XP is the best.
If you stick with Linux go for Mint 14 cinnamon
If you stick with iPhone go for iOS
If you stick with android go with MIUI or CleanROM.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:07 AM
If you stick with Mac Mac 10.8 is good.
If you stick with Windows Windows XP is the best.
If you stick with Linux go for Mint 14 cinnamon
If you stick with iPhone go for iOS
If you stick with android go with MIUI or CleanROM.
But… With Windows XP I can't use all 32GB of RAM o.o
171 posts
Eastern USA
Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:03 AM
Let's face it, 700MB is nothing these days when a server can come with 64GB of RAM for chump change. Physical RAM is way outscaling the RAM used by OSes. Plus a Windows server running 700MB of RAM has quite a bit more already going than a Linux one out of the box at 80MB. And yeah, the new Server Manager and tools for Server 2012 are fantastic. You can manage a whole datacenter of Windows servers using only Server Manager and tools accessible from Server Manager if you so choose.…
Also, I'm pretty OS agnostic, so I'm not at all a "Linux geek". I do prefer using Linux-based servers because, let's face it, I'd rather the OS using only 80MB of ram compared to 700MB (I've never played with Windows Server core, so it might actually fix this complaint of Windows Server for me) that I've seen ending up very common on Windows servers. In the end, it's all up to preference and one isn't really better than the other, since one is far easier to configure (Windows server has some fantastic tools), while the other one has minimal overhead.
…
But *nix is actually reliable! You don't have to reinstall it every year and reboot it every day! Also, it actually has reasonable resource requirements! Computers having more resources isn't an excuse for using more because more stuff=more things/ways to crash. I've never used a windows server but I can't imagine it's any good seeing how bad desktop windows editions are.
I voted OSX for my favorite OS because it's what I have on my laptop, but I really don't care as long as it's *nix and not a newer Ubuntu. Gentoo is my favorite Linux. I have XQuartz on my mac which lets me get open-source linux programs working on my mac in no time. XP or 7 is my favorite Windows but I don't use windows unless the program I'm trying to run doesn't have an osx or linux version and the program doesn't work under wine or mono.
686 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 12:32 PM
The garbage people spew about windows really is hilarious. I've never ever had to reinstall a windows computer. My windows server VMs and my windows 8 administrative VM have all been up for well over a month, and it would be longer if not for updates.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 23 May 2013 - 12:55 PM
The garbage people spew about windows really is hilarious. I've never ever had to reinstall a windows computer. My windows server VMs and my windows 8 administrative VM have all been up for well over a month, and it would be longer if not for updates.
I've had personal experience with Windows issues. Usually it's caused by third party applications, not Windows itself, but maintaining a Windows system can be rather difficult if you worth with a plathora of applications. I regularly reinstall Windows on about a 3 month cycle, personally, because I notice performance issues arising around that time.
That being said, I have to agree that people blow it out of context and claim that it's an OS issue when, in most causes, it's caused by the applications you're putting into it. The applications I use are practically required for me (3D modeling applications, graphics software, compilers, interpreters, the works), and I know which ones generally are causing the issue. Outside of that, I haven't had a blue screen of death since XP, so they've definitely increased the stability of Windows itself.
Though, I kind of think we're digressing here with discussion about the OSes themselves instead of keeping on the idea of "what's your favorite OS" >.>
587 posts
Wrocław, Poland
Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:35 PM
I had to reinstall Windows maany times. I'm downloading Ubutnu 13.04 just right now. F*ck you Micro-and-soft. :P/>
686 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:15 PM
I gaurantee you an inexperienced Linux user installing the amount of crap people install on Windows would have to reinstall at least as often as you have to reinstall Windows.
But yes, it's a third-party/user issue, not an OS issue. I understand how to manage Windows Server and I can keep Windows Server running like new for periods of time many people wouldn't think possible. It's a server, you're not meant to make constant changes. Set it up and leave it. Which is the beauty of virtualization. I can set up a server install to do one thing and just leave it.
But yes, it's a third-party/user issue, not an OS issue. I understand how to manage Windows Server and I can keep Windows Server running like new for periods of time many people wouldn't think possible. It's a server, you're not meant to make constant changes. Set it up and leave it. Which is the beauty of virtualization. I can set up a server install to do one thing and just leave it.
242 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:27 PM
If you stick with Mac Mac 10.8 is good.
If you stick with Windows Windows XP is the best.
If you stick with Linux go for Mint 14 cinnamon
If you stick with iPhone go for iOS
If you stick with android go with MIUI or CleanROM.
But… With Windows XP I can't use all 32GB of RAM o.o
Windows XP x64
242 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:33 PM
Cruor said:Oh dear god, another one of these.
Behave or this will be locked in no time.
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:09 PM
270, if anyone, you're the only one here misbehaving and "fanboying" and just reposting your favorite list of OSes without even explaining your viewpoints.
686 posts
Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:43 PM
Sorry, but Windows XP fanboying went out of style last year. Windows 7 is a massive improvement over both, to be honest. It was a valid thing when Windows Vista was around and that sucked, but we've got newer, better OSes out now and it's time to move on.
12 posts
Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:46 AM
Ubuntu is cool.
Arch Linux is awesome.
WindowsXP and windows 7 are my favorite Windows OSes.
Arch Linux is awesome.
WindowsXP and windows 7 are my favorite Windows OSes.
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:22 AM
Sorry, but Windows XP fanboying went out of style last year. Windows 7 is a massive improvement over both, to be honest. It was a valid thing when Windows Vista was around and that sucked, but we've got newer, better OSes out now and it's time to move on.
Well said, really Windows XP is 12 years old, some users on the forums aren't even that old. The only crummy (to Windows standards) OS since XP was Vista, Windows 7 was great and 8 is even better. There's really no excuse. You don't really see XP anywhere nowadays, the last time I used it was in 2011, just before my school transitioned to Mac.
People complain about Windows 8 constantly, I admit when I first used the Developer Preview I didn't really lilke it; I litterally had to Google how to turn it off. However, I've installed on my PC and it's actually very nice and easy to use, granted it takes a bit of getting used to. I feel that it's getting closer (closer, not close) to the easiness of OS X.
So essentailly, what I'm saying is just try Windows 8. "Obtain" it, run it in a VM and if you like it buy it. It's like people who say they don't like a certain food but they haven't tried it since they were 3.
Also, Linux people, what is it that attracts you to Linux? I've never got it really, they're just hard to use and look bad.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:56 AM
Sorry, but Windows XP fanboying went out of style last year. Windows 7 is a massive improvement over both, to be honest. It was a valid thing when Windows Vista was around and that sucked, but we've got newer, better OSes out now and it's time to move on.
Well said, really Windows XP is 12 years old, some users on the forums aren't even that old. The only crummy (to Windows standards) OS since XP was Vista, Windows 7 was great and 8 is even better. There's really no excuse. You don't really see XP anywhere nowadays, the last time I used it was in 2011, just before my school transitioned to Mac.
People complain about Windows 8 constantly, I admit when I first used the Developer Preview I didn't really lilke it; I litterally had to Google how to turn it off. However, I've installed on my PC and it's actually very nice and easy to use, granted it takes a bit of getting used to. I feel that it's getting closer (closer, not close) to the easiness of OS X.
So essentailly, what I'm saying is just try Windows 8. "Obtain" it, run it in a VM and if you like it buy it. It's like people who say they don't like a certain food but they haven't tried it since they were 3.
Also, Linux people, what is it that attracts you to Linux? I've never got it really, they're just hard to use and look bad.
It's only ugly if you let it be ugly, to be honest. There's a huge amount of customization in Linux, which gives it a big draw. Sure, it doesn't have the application support that OS X and Windows has, but there's so much extendability you can do on it. Let's say yu start disliking how one desktop looks, or how it's functioning (exactly how I feel about the Gnome Desktop). You're not forced to continue using that particular desktop, you can switch it out with another one like KDE or XFCE, or, if you're REALLY daring, you can make my own.
The fact the entire OS is modular and you can choose what you want in the OS is what gives Linux an appeal. From the desktop to the underbelly of the OS (the Kernel, if you're wanting to get really low), you can modify it to your liking and use what ever you want for it.
Of course there are other reasons, but a lot of them are more geared toward how you set up the system itself, like reliability, stability and things like that. I wouldn't personally call it any more reliable/stable than Windows/OS X because I've honestly crashed Linux more often than I've crashed Windows and OS X combined.
570 posts
Germany
Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM
I know most windows issues are related to programs you installed and not the OS, but that's also related to the way windows is working.
1852 posts
Sweden
Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:02 PM
I prefeer windows 7 ultimate as it's easy to use :)/>
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:10 PM
For me, Linux is just way faster, it doesn't use as much resources/hard disk space as windows, and it looks way better in my opinion. Also, because of the way dependencies and libraries work on linux, you end up saving a lot of disk space, because libraries are installed on your computer, and they don't come with the program itself like on windows.Also, Linux people, what is it that attracts you to Linux? I've never got it really, they're just hard to use and look bad.
The reason themes are even available is because a lot of distros don't have a good (enough) default theme. As ShadowedZenith said up there, if you don't like how something looks or functions, change it. This works well for me because I go crazy if I'm stuck with the same look and feel for more than a month. I switch between DEs and themes constantly.
Cinnamon desktop, current theme is Boje blue:
In fact, there's a distro called PearOS (hah) that basically tries about as hard as it possibly can to replicate the look and feel of OSX. That's accomplished pretty well with Gnome 3.
Even if you're not into customization, Ubuntu and some other distros come good-looking and easy to use out of the box.
686 posts
Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:43 PM
Like I said before… If you install crap on Linux, you'll get crap on Linux just like with Windows. Except most Linux users know better than to install crap, because you have to be a computer science major to use Linux.I know most windows issues are related to programs you installed and not the OS, but that's also related to the way windows is working.
1214 posts
The Sammich Kingdom
Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:49 PM
Since when? Certain Linux distros are very easy to use. I could probably get just most people setup in a distro such as Ubuntu or Mint and have them work just fine.Except most Linux users know better than to install crap, because you have to be a computer science major to use Linux.I know most windows issues are related to programs you installed and not the OS, but that's also related to the way windows is working.
You seem to just trash on Linux. I try not to trash on most products(except IE).
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:53 PM
I don't mean to take your words too literally but erm…I'm still in high school, and so are my friends. We're in IT, but we're not really that smart.because you have to be a computer science major to use Linux.
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:34 PM
For me, Linux is just way faster, it doesn't use as much resources/hard disk space as windows, and it looks way better in my opinion. Also, because of the way dependencies and libraries work on linux, you end up saving a lot of disk space, because libraries are installed on your computer, and they don't come with the program itself like on windows.Also, Linux people, what is it that attracts you to Linux? I've never got it really, they're just hard to use and look bad.
The reason themes are even available is because a lot of distros don't have a good (enough) default theme. As ShadowedZenith said up there, if you don't like how something looks or functions, change it. This works well for me because I go crazy if I'm stuck with the same look and feel for more than a month. I switch between DEs and themes constantly.
Cinnamon desktop, current theme is Boje blue:
In fact, there's a distro called PearOS (hah) that basically tries about as hard as it possibly can to replicate the look and feel of OSX. That's accomplished pretty well with Gnome 3.
Even if you're not into customization, Ubuntu and some other distros come good-looking and easy to use out of the box.
Wait a sec…
There's an actual OS called PearOS? (Googles)
:/ Still looks very Linux-y. I don't know what it is about Linux distros but they can't seem to get the graphics and sizing right.
12 posts
Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:42 PM
Your just <insert term for OS racism>
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it uses Linux
OSX has just been built to be shit
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it uses Linux
OSX has just been built to be shit
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:49 PM
And, again, if you hate it, you can change it. I personally think it's fine, but we all have different preferences.Wait a sec…
There's an actual OS called PearOS? (Googles)
:/ Still looks very Linux-y. I don't know what it is about Linux distros but they can't seem to get the graphics and sizing right.
Excuse me?Your just <insert term for OS racism>
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it's based off of Linux
No we can not all agree OSX is shit; oeed, TOB(?) and others have already expressed their likeness towards the operating system. No OS or program is definitively bad or good. You're free to have your own opinion but at least back it up without being so rude/biased.
And no, it's not based off of Linux, it's based off of Unix.
515 posts
Australia
Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:56 PM
I've used Android 2.3, 4.0 iOS 4 to 6, Ubuntu 11.10 to 13.04, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Mac OS X Lion, Mac OS X Mountain Lion each for over a period of 3 months.
These are my comments for each OS:
Android: Great customization and features other apps can access. Though can be sloppy and slow at times, and errors come up.
iOS: Nice, smooth, snappy no matter what. Easy to use with no problem at all and is really elegant. Not as much customization.
Ubuntu: Works nice and smooth on everything I install it on. I love it's customization, and what I can do on it. Although takes lots of work to get everything perfected and working for my needs, and requires me to use Terminal often (Which may not be a bad thing).
Windows XP: Great OS for it's time, nothing much to say about it. Not really good today though.
Windows Vista: Not that bad, I liked the Aero UI but disliked the security pop-ups and was a resource hog. Though I got used to them
Windows 7: Honestly, it's just like Windows Vista with a couple of improvements, still a resource hog. I didn't use it that often.
Windows 8: Nice 2D design for windows and the start menu. Every really generally worked and I could play any game I wanted to really. I would have loved it as my default OS except it was a major resource hog, since for no absolute reason it would use 99% of my 4GB RAM when all I have open is like 5 tabs in chrome. Anddd I got a BSOD.
Mac OS X Lion/Mountain Lion : Works really well, though I do get rare hiccups and problems, but generally I really like it, especially it's App installation system which just moves an application into the applications folder and it just works.
Overall: All of these OSes have its ups and downs, and I really like them all. I triple boot on a Macbook Pro with WIndows 8, Ubuntu 13.04 and OS X Mountain Lion and I switch between them occasionally. I also own an Asus transformer prime running Jelly Bean, a Galaxy Note and I borrow my roommate's iPod touch 5th generation often. (I do all my work in the cloud :P/>) Though I tend to stick with Ubuntu since I find it so reliable.
Additional Comments:
I also ABSOLUTELY ADORED UBUNTU on how resource efficient it was and how little hard drive space it uses. When I look at Windows I'm like HOW DID THAT \Windows FOLDER BECOME 20 GB. And the entire space Ubuntu takes up with everything I have on it is only 16 GB.
These are my comments for each OS:
Android: Great customization and features other apps can access. Though can be sloppy and slow at times, and errors come up.
iOS: Nice, smooth, snappy no matter what. Easy to use with no problem at all and is really elegant. Not as much customization.
Ubuntu: Works nice and smooth on everything I install it on. I love it's customization, and what I can do on it. Although takes lots of work to get everything perfected and working for my needs, and requires me to use Terminal often (Which may not be a bad thing).
Windows XP: Great OS for it's time, nothing much to say about it. Not really good today though.
Windows Vista: Not that bad, I liked the Aero UI but disliked the security pop-ups and was a resource hog. Though I got used to them
Windows 7: Honestly, it's just like Windows Vista with a couple of improvements, still a resource hog. I didn't use it that often.
Windows 8: Nice 2D design for windows and the start menu. Every really generally worked and I could play any game I wanted to really. I would have loved it as my default OS except it was a major resource hog, since for no absolute reason it would use 99% of my 4GB RAM when all I have open is like 5 tabs in chrome. Anddd I got a BSOD.
Mac OS X Lion/Mountain Lion : Works really well, though I do get rare hiccups and problems, but generally I really like it, especially it's App installation system which just moves an application into the applications folder and it just works.
Overall: All of these OSes have its ups and downs, and I really like them all. I triple boot on a Macbook Pro with WIndows 8, Ubuntu 13.04 and OS X Mountain Lion and I switch between them occasionally. I also own an Asus transformer prime running Jelly Bean, a Galaxy Note and I borrow my roommate's iPod touch 5th generation often. (I do all my work in the cloud :P/>) Though I tend to stick with Ubuntu since I find it so reliable.
Additional Comments:
I also ABSOLUTELY ADORED UBUNTU on how resource efficient it was and how little hard drive space it uses. When I look at Windows I'm like HOW DID THAT \Windows FOLDER BECOME 20 GB. And the entire space Ubuntu takes up with everything I have on it is only 16 GB.
12 posts
Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:10 PM
1.This is the internet, people swear on it DEAL WITH IT.Excuse me?Your just <insert term for OS racism>
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it's based off of Linux
No we can not all agree OSX is shit; oeed, TOB(?) and others have already expressed their likeness towards the operating system. No OS or program is definitively bad or good. You're free to have your own opinion but at least back it up without being so rude/biased.
And no, it's not based off of Linux, it's based off of Unix.
2.I'm not being biased I've used OSX and a few Linux distros.
3.I gave my opinion, isn't that what the thread's about?
4.Linux and BSD are very very similar and OSX was based off of BSD, sorry for getting confused. (No you don't have to point out there both based off of Unix)
1214 posts
The Sammich Kingdom
Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:17 PM
1.What?1.This is the internet, people swear on it DEAL WITH IT.Excuse me?Your just <insert term for OS racism>
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it's based off of Linux
No we can not all agree OSX is shit; oeed, TOB(?) and others have already expressed their likeness towards the operating system. No OS or program is definitively bad or good. You're free to have your own opinion but at least back it up without being so rude/biased.
And no, it's not based off of Linux, it's based off of Unix.
2.I'm not being biased I've used OSX and a few Linux distros.
3.I gave my opinion, isn't that what the thread's about?
4.Linux and BSD are very very similar and OSX was based off of BSD, sorry for getting confused. (No you don't have to point out there both based off of Unix)
2.How are you not? You are assuming everybody does.
3.No, you said everybody has the same opinion as you.
4.There is still differences
Now let's not turn this into a flame war. Last thing most of us want is for this topic to get locked.
570 posts
Germany
Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:48 AM
But OSX still has another advantage above most other OSs: both the hardware and the OS are coming from one company. On a windows or Linux its easily possible that the company who sells the computer has done something wrong with the OS configuration. On OSX not(except it's a hackintosh). That's also a reason why OSX is often more stable than other OSs.
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:16 AM
Your just <insert term for OS racism>
But we can all agree OSX is shit even though it uses Linux
OSX has just been built to be shit
1.This is the internet, people swear on it DEAL WITH IT.
2.I'm not being biased I've used OSX and a few Linux distros.
3.I gave my opinion, isn't that what the thread's about?
4.Linux and BSD are very very similar and OSX was based off of BSD, sorry for getting confused. (No you don't have to point out there both based off of Unix)
If you've used OS X (other than just a few minutes at an Apple store) I can almost guarantee that you'd have a different view. You can see the huge amount of care given to every little detail, Steve Jobs core philosophy, from the lovely startup chime to the sleek aluminium build of the computers. Now, some people don't appreciate this, nor do they care, they are the sort of people (and forgive me for stereotyping here) who don't put captials in things such as their username, email subjects, etc. And that's something that really annoys me, to the point where I took my friends Mac (everyone has a MacBook at my school) and changed the username. Some people call this OCD, I call it… uhhh, yea I guess it's OCD but you could call it appreciation of beauty or something along the lines of that. So basically, what I'm saying is some people appreciate the attention to detail in OS X (and it's OS X, not OSX by the way, another trivial annoyance), while other's do not. However, it's far from 'shit', while Windows 8 is closing the gap, it clearly has more attention to detail than Windows.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
686 posts
Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:35 PM
As the saying goes, you can't polish a shit. OS X is all detail and flashy garbage, no function, and no value. The same goes for everything they sell. Apple is basically like those fancy clothing stores at the mall that pump perfume into the hallways and sell $100 T-shirts. I really don't care if my computer is contained within a shiny aluminum case. I care that it's fast, stays cool, and is upgradeable. And is cheap. The reason I know attention to detail has been paid with my systems is because I built them myself. Because Microsoft and Linux both allow me to do so. I pay 1/3 of the price I would for a mac, and half the price I would for an out-of-the-box windows machine.
As for your lovely stereotype, I always capitalize everything.
As for your lovely stereotype, I always capitalize everything.
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:46 PM
D3Matt said it a little harshly, but I agree to an extent. OS X is pretty overpriced for what it is, IMO. I suppose it is more stable in a lot of cases, but I'm not a fan of low customizability or the appeal of a bunch of ~pretty effects~. Plus, I really, really hate how applications are left running even after you close them. I feel like that's a setting that can be changed, but the practice still shouldn't be encouraged by default.
Though I won't say that you can't do anything with a Mac; it comes with a nice set of default software that beats Window's defaults by far, even that of Linux in some cases.
…Actually, that's debatable. FL Studio and Ableton are so much better than GarageBand (for my purposes, and that of other electronic producers anyway, even for stuff with "real instruments"), and iMovie is just annoying as hell. The other defaults are just your standard programs that come with any OS, and Safari is pretty ugly imo.
Though I won't say that you can't do anything with a Mac; it comes with a nice set of default software that beats Window's defaults by far, even that of Linux in some cases.
…Actually, that's debatable. FL Studio and Ableton are so much better than GarageBand (for my purposes, and that of other electronic producers anyway, even for stuff with "real instruments"), and iMovie is just annoying as hell. The other defaults are just your standard programs that come with any OS, and Safari is pretty ugly imo.
67 posts
Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:43 PM
My desktop has a Windows 8 on my main SSD and Linux Mint on another harddrive (a pain in the ass to dualboot because my UEFI for some reason isn't recognizing Legacy bootloaders even though I've got legacy bootloaders enabled)
Yeah, UEFI is really wierd. I dual booted my Windows 8 UEFI with ubuntu, it took about a month for me to finally get it. Just took about 8 blue screens of death…..
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:27 PM
D3Matt said it a little harshly, but I agree to an extent. OS X is pretty overpriced for what it is, IMO. I suppose it is more stable in a lot of cases, but I'm not a fan of low customizability or the appeal of a bunch of ~pretty effects~. Plus, I really, really hate how applications are left running even after you close them. I feel like that's a setting that can be changed, but the practice still shouldn't be encouraged by default.
Though I won't say that you can't do anything with a Mac; it comes with a nice set of default software that beats Window's defaults by far, even that of Linux in some cases.
…Actually, that's debatable. FL Studio and Ableton are so much better than GarageBand (for my purposes, and that of other electronic producers anyway, even for stuff with "real instruments"), and iMovie is just annoying as hell. The other defaults are just your standard programs that come with any OS, and Safari is pretty ugly imo.
Mountain Lion is $20, Windows 8 is as much as $400 (Australian). Let's not get the topic locked, it was genuine and we're turning it in to a OS flamewar. In other words, I'm leaving.
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 25 May 2013 - 08:05 PM
When I mentioned prices, I should've referred to the computers instead of the operating systems themselves. Plus, the amount of upgrades OS X receives compared to Windows probably warrants the massive price difference. I should also mention that, in America, W8 was about 50% when it first came out, and that was if you didn't go for the special deal that allowed you to get it for less than 20 dollars. I'm sure the price now is higher though.D3Matt said it a little harshly, but I agree to an extent. OS X is pretty overpriced for what it is, IMO. I suppose it is more stable in a lot of cases, but I'm not a fan of low customizability or the appeal of a bunch of ~pretty effects~. Plus, I really, really hate how applications are left running even after you close them. I feel like that's a setting that can be changed, but the practice still shouldn't be encouraged by default.
Though I won't say that you can't do anything with a Mac; it comes with a nice set of default software that beats Window's defaults by far, even that of Linux in some cases.
…Actually, that's debatable. FL Studio and Ableton are so much better than GarageBand (for my purposes, and that of other electronic producers anyway, even for stuff with "real instruments"), and iMovie is just annoying as hell. The other defaults are just your standard programs that come with any OS, and Safari is pretty ugly imo.
Mountain Lion is $20, Windows 8 is as much as $400 (Australian). Let's not get the topic locked, it was genuine and we're turning it in to a OS flamewar. In other words, I'm leaving.
And no, if it were a flamewar, I'd be insulting you because you like something I don't like! :P/> But nah, this is actually a legit discussion.
686 posts
Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:26 AM
And what are you going to install that on? OS X is only sold as an upgrade (Through the app store from what I read! In others words, you have to install the OS to buy the OS!), otherwise it only comes pre-installed on Apple computers, which are insanely overpriced.D3Matt said it a little harshly, but I agree to an extent. OS X is pretty overpriced for what it is, IMO. I suppose it is more stable in a lot of cases, but I'm not a fan of low customizability or the appeal of a bunch of ~pretty effects~. Plus, I really, really hate how applications are left running even after you close them. I feel like that's a setting that can be changed, but the practice still shouldn't be encouraged by default.
Though I won't say that you can't do anything with a Mac; it comes with a nice set of default software that beats Window's defaults by far, even that of Linux in some cases.
…Actually, that's debatable. FL Studio and Ableton are so much better than GarageBand (for my purposes, and that of other electronic producers anyway, even for stuff with "real instruments"), and iMovie is just annoying as hell. The other defaults are just your standard programs that come with any OS, and Safari is pretty ugly imo.
Mountain Lion is $20, Windows 8 is as much as $400 (Australian). Let's not get the topic locked, it was genuine and we're turning it in to a OS flamewar. In other words, I'm leaving.
I do really dislike how Windows 8, too, seems to discourage leaving programs open. I mean, come on… Could we at least try to keep our computers running fast, OS designers?
2151 posts
Auckland, New Zealand
Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:13 AM
x
I do really dislike how Windows 8, too, seems to discourage leaving programs open. I mean, come on… Could we at least try to keep our computers running fast, OS designers?
Windows 8 closes (well, suspends, some times terminates) programs to make your computer faster, not slower.
537 posts
Copenhagen, Denmark
Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:33 AM
Linux Mint is a good choice, as it is easy to develop shit on it.
686 posts
Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:46 AM
Whoops I said that wrong. Windows 8 discourages closing programs when you're done by forcing you to go out of your way to do so.x
I do really dislike how Windows 8, too, seems to discourage leaving programs open. I mean, come on… Could we at least try to keep our computers running fast, OS designers?
Windows 8 closes (well, suspends, some times terminates) programs to make your computer faster, not slower.
587 posts
Wrocław, Poland
Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:37 AM
Happy to announce that I've got working Ubuntu :D/> (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
419 posts
your hardrive
Posted 26 May 2013 - 12:25 PM
wow that looks great compared to ubuntuFor me, Linux is just way faster, it doesn't use as much resources/hard disk space as windows, and it looks way better in my opinion. Also, because of the way dependencies and libraries work on linux, you end up saving a lot of disk space, because libraries are installed on your computer, and they don't come with the program itself like on windows.Also, Linux people, what is it that attracts you to Linux? I've never got it really, they're just hard to use and look bad.
The reason themes are even available is because a lot of distros don't have a good (enough) default theme. As ShadowedZenith said up there, if you don't like how something looks or functions, change it. This works well for me because I go crazy if I'm stuck with the same look and feel for more than a month. I switch between DEs and themes constantly.
Cinnamon desktop, current theme is Boje blue:
In fact, there's a distro called PearOS (hah) that basically tries about as hard as it possibly can to replicate the look and feel of OSX. That's accomplished pretty well with Gnome 3.
Even if you're not into customization, Ubuntu and some other distros come good-looking and easy to use out of the box.
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 26 May 2013 - 12:30 PM
That's great, but why not 13.04? :P/>Happy to announce that I've got working Ubuntu :D/> (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
570 posts
Germany
Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:41 PM
Probably he either doesn't like the changes made in 13.04 or he wants a LTS version.That's great, but why not 13.04? :P/>/>Happy to announce that I've got working Ubuntu :D/>/> (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
56 posts
Victoria, AUS
Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:15 AM
Probably he either doesn't like the changes made in 13.04 or he wants a LTS version.That's great, but why not 13.04? :P/>/>Happy to announce that I've got working Ubuntu :D/>/> (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
And from my experience, 13.04 isn't all that polished either.
If you're going to try Ubuntu, try the current LTS version (12.04.2 now).
6 posts
Posted 27 May 2013 - 06:36 AM
It depends on the situation. For workstations it has to be windows 7 but for servers I use Debian for critical servers and Ubuntu LTS server for non critical servers.
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:07 PM
My desktop has a Windows 8 on my main SSD and Linux Mint on another harddrive (a pain in the ass to dualboot because my UEFI for some reason isn't recognizing Legacy bootloaders even though I've got legacy bootloaders enabled)
Yeah, UEFI is really wierd. I dual booted my Windows 8 UEFI with ubuntu, it took about a month for me to finally get it. Just took about 8 blue screens of death…..
I'm thinking UEFI, for some reason, is ignoring boot loaders on an MBR harddrive/SSD, which is what's causing the issues. I recently migrated my Windows install off of my 64GB SSD to my 120GB SSD, converted the 64GB SSD to a GPT partition table, and suddenly it's allowing me to boot to that drive (even though there's no OS, what it does is forwards it to the next bootable drive, which is fine by me in the end). It's all being a bit less crazy, but it'd still be nice to be able to boot directly to a drive instead of the UEFI having to fail to find a boot loader and move to the next available drive.
808 posts
Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:56 AM
OS X I think provides some really great APIs. The UI and the general features are all minor in my opinion, because those can be hacked or at least replaced on any OS (as a sidenote, I do prefer OS X for UI). It's based on UNIX (Darwin kernel ftw), so most open source packages can be compiled and run no problem. But as I said before, OS X provides some great APIs. There's all kinds of libraries built in for anything most programmers would want to do. Video, images, audio, data, storage, extremely fast multithreading, and tons of other things. That's what people underestimate about OS X. It has the most mature and the most powerful APIs. This allows developers to easily produce some pretty great products. And I trust Apple's APIs to Adobe's private java APIs (Objective C is a great language once you learn it, btw. Faster than java, too). So if someone made a creative suit for mac only, I think it could be a lot better than CS5 and run a lot faster than anything else out there.
160 posts
I am on your computer
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:42 AM
As a Linux/Unix, C/C++ and a Java programmer. I choose Linux or Linux distros because they are the perfect to write program with, More tools/utilities, and its an OSS and as my personal computer while Other OS like windows, They are more like, just using the computer in the matter in fact, Windows cannot use a programming machine/software because windows is more like non-oss, and windows is a office OS. Mac OS/X is a great to write programs or apps with but only who knows darwin's system calls.
For creating apps. Its obvious, You need to know what OS you gonna make a program with or use it.
For creating apps. Its obvious, You need to know what OS you gonna make a program with or use it.
515 posts
Australia
Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:58 AM
Windows is perfectly fine for writing apps… Ubuntu/Other Linux distros is just more convenient when it comes to finding packages to install in order to compile/run programs. For example, Lua is pre-installed in Ubuntu. Windows can run Lua too, it's just less convenient to find it and install it.As a Linux/Unix, C/C++ and a Java programmer. I choose Linux or Linux distros because they are the perfect to write program with, More tools/utilities, and its an OSS and as my personal computer while Other OS like windows, They are more like, just using the computer in the matter in fact, Windows cannot use a programming machine/software because windows is more like non-oss, and windows is a office OS. Mac OS/X is a great to write programs or apps with but only who knows darwin's system calls.
For creating apps. Its obvious, You need to know what OS you gonna make a program with or use it.
116 posts
France
Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:43 PM
I use Windows 8 (enormous bullshit), but OSX is clearly the best for me. Unfortunatly, there's (in my knowledge) no way to run .exe on Mac, so…
iOS isn't the same that OSX ?
iOS isn't the same that OSX ?
94 posts
Computational Soup of the Cloud
Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:52 PM
I use Windows 8 (enormous bullshit), but OSX is clearly the best for me. Unfortunatly, there's (in my knowledge) no way to run .exe on Mac, so…
iOS isn't the same that OSX ?
They've got similar qualities, but they're not the same OS.
You can run .exes on Mac using Wine/CrossOver, but it's terribly inefficient and requires a lot of configuration to get working properly, and then there's no telling if you'll actually be able to run the application usably/at all. The app database that they provide at WineHQ does give a good idea of what you can get running, as well as suggestions on how to get it running, but I've found that in most cases it's pretty far off from native Windows (which is understandible since they're trying to replicate the Windows libraries in a non-native environment).
You might want to try something like virtualbox/parallels/fusion to run Windows applications. I run a few older games on my Macbook in a Parallels VM and, so far, they've had playable framerates at their highest settings (mind you the most graphic intensive one is Warcraft 3, so it's not like I'm really pushing the computer too hard to begin with running it).
14 posts
England
Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:14 PM
Personaly you can't beat windows 7 and 8. Fast, clean and most of all, stable. Unlinke many of the linux distros ive used before.
645 posts
'Merica
Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:19 PM
You can, personally I use windows, but I would rather use Linux since you get more freedom with it ( it runs closer to the kernel than windows and osx, allowing you to have more control)Personaly you can't beat windows 7 and 8. Fast, clean and most of all, stable. Unlinke many of the linux distros ive used before.
14 posts
England
Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:56 PM
I see your point Spongy141, but you have to give windows and osx the credit for makeing the best looking and easy to use os's. I find that linux can be a real pain sometimes. ^_^/>You can, personally I use windows, but I would rather use Linux since you get more freedom with it ( it runs closer to the kernel than windows and osx, allowing you to have more control)Personaly you can't beat windows 7 and 8. Fast, clean and most of all, stable. Unlinke many of the linux distros ive used before.
1688 posts
'MURICA
Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:00 PM
"Best looking" is subjective. As for ease of use, whether or not distros like Ubuntu being easier to use than Windows or OS X is debatable, but yeah, most other distros aren't really meant to be used easily. As Spongy said, it was made mainly with the ease of program development, and more freedom and customizability.
56 posts
Victoria, AUS
Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:46 PM
Also keep in mind that Linux is a kernel, it's look is completely determined by what runs on it.
587 posts
Wrocław, Poland
Posted 02 June 2013 - 07:38 AM
Probably he either doesn't like the changes made in 13.04 or he wants a LTS version.That's great, but why not 13.04? :P/>/>Happy to announce that I've got working Ubuntu :D/>/> (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
I want stable ubuntu :P/>
Sick of compiz crashing 10 seconds after launch in 13.04 :P/>
839 posts
England
Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:00 AM
You can, personally I use windows, but I would rather use Linux since you get more freedom with it ( it runs closer to the kernel than windows and osx, allowing you to have more control)
To be fair, I call being able to allocate your own heaps pretty close to the kernel. Windows does have low down stuff if you know where to look, it's just less documented than Linux because the two OSs are designed for different purposes.
1114 posts
UK
Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:06 AM
30 posts
Posted 23 June 2013 - 07:39 PM
Windows 7 for gaming, Ubuntu (I haven't tried other distro) for general stuff until GMod and Dota 2 comes to linux, than I will try to kill my windows partition, and probably the only thing that stands between that is Source Filmmaker
Well Windows 7 Ultimate is nice and I only reinstall it once because the computer builder put a 32 bit OS instead of 64 bit OS here, so my usable RAM is only 3 GB while there is 6 GB ram stick, but because that means I need to buy a new Windows, I just torrent it :(/> The starting OS is pirated also by the computer maker, and so I'm trying to switch to Linux because its free, and its also completely customizable
What I like about Linux is that the windows manager and OS is a separate stuff, so I can mix and match. And the really good thing about some windows manager is there is multiple screens (I have no idea what is that real name) that is the clickable square button that changes your screen so I could do all my browsing in a window and all my gaming in another window
Well Windows 7 Ultimate is nice and I only reinstall it once because the computer builder put a 32 bit OS instead of 64 bit OS here, so my usable RAM is only 3 GB while there is 6 GB ram stick, but because that means I need to buy a new Windows, I just torrent it :(/> The starting OS is pirated also by the computer maker, and so I'm trying to switch to Linux because its free, and its also completely customizable
What I like about Linux is that the windows manager and OS is a separate stuff, so I can mix and match. And the really good thing about some windows manager is there is multiple screens (I have no idea what is that real name) that is the clickable square button that changes your screen so I could do all my browsing in a window and all my gaming in another window
143 posts
Palm Bay, Florida
Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:00 PM
Linux Debian for the server i run downstairs (xen virtualized(google it)), win 7 for everything else.
13 posts
Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:02 PM
What's your favorite OS? It can be anything: Ubuntu, Windows, RaspbianOS, RiscOS, Debian, Android, System 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, MS-DOS, Mac OS 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Mac OS 10, the possibilities are endless. Use the template if you want to.
Template: My favorite OS is <OSName> because <Reason>.
Template: My favorite OS is <OSName> because <Reason>.
97 posts
Ohio, USA
Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:04 PM
This has been done before, but I'll post mine anyway. Mac OS 8. It's my first OS that I ever used.
8543 posts
Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:34 PM
Threads merged. Please use the existing topic rather than starting a duplicate.