About Linux

Hello,
I have a few questions about linux:
Should I get it? (I will make it dual bootable)
What linux version is the best?
Is it good?

Yes, definately, get it! It's very good for programming, and for anything that doesn't have to do with "heavy" gaming.
You can't really say "get Linux", as Linux is a kernel. You can get a distribution, and I recommend Arch Linux. Perhaps it's a bit more advanced to set up than other things, but it will teach you alot!

ubuntu is pretty awsome

ETHANATOR360, on 22 June 2013 - 09:55 AM said:

ubuntu is pretty awsome

No it isn't. It is horribly slow, and has a bad window manager too(Unity).

Mads, on 22 June 2013 - 09:58 AM said:

ETHANATOR360, on 22 June 2013 - 09:55 AM said:

ubuntu is pretty awsome

No it isn't. It is horribly slow, and has a bad window manager too(Unity).

Opinions. I happen to like Unity a lot, and I had no performance issues when I worked with it a while ago. I did in 12.10, but that was fixed mostly in 13.04. The LTS release would, more than likely, not have any problems however.

Though I would still recommend Linux Mint if anything. It's not the most barebones, lightweight OS, nor is it the most advanced, but has a really nice, customizable balance between the two. Debian is also a nice option.

As for a desktop environment, I'd go with Cinnamon if it's available, or XFCE.

Arch Linux is one of the most bare-bones one, if not the one. You have to do everything yourself.

I've heard Gentoo is even more barebones, if you really want to go that route.

So what linux? ubuntu?

tonkku107, on 22 June 2013 - 11:21 AM said:

So what linux? ubuntu?

Ubuntu is nice as a starting linux distribution

Ubuntu is good to get started with Linux.

tonkku107, on 22 June 2013 - 05:59 AM said:

Hello,
I have a few questions about linux:
Should I get it? (I will make it dual bootable)
What linux version is the best?
Is it good?

I'm in love with Ubuntu because it is faster in terms of usage then Windows, and Mac. This especially gets noticeable with lower spec systems. I use it to general web browsing, and for web development.

So ubuntu is the best. Thanks

I would recommend Ubuntu. Despite 'performance' issues Ubuntu is a good way in which to start the change to Linux. I would recommend 'cross' (dual bootable) installing it with Windows/Mac. (personal choice) For mac I think you can use bootcamp for having multiple OS' and for windows I am not quite sure. When I used Linux I installed it to one of my personal hard drives. (a little complicated) I haven't had a heap of experience with Linux. (a little bit of BackTrack5) This is just my two cents and I hope it helps influences your choice.

- Imque

Spoiler

This may be a little bit nerco. (the thread was posted yesterday)

Imque, on 23 June 2013 - 04:05 AM said:

I would recommend Ubuntu. Despite 'performance' issues Ubuntu is a good way in which to start the change to Linux. I would recommend 'cross' (dual bootable) installing it with Windows/Mac. (personal choice) For mac I think you can use bootcamp for having multiple OS' and for windows I am not quite sure. When I used Linux I installed it to one of my personal hard drives. (a little complicated) I haven't had a heap of experience with Linux. (a little bit of BackTrack5) This is just my two cents and I hope it helps influences your choice.

- Imque

Spoiler

This may be a little bit nerco. (the thread was posted yesterday)

I will install it on my D:\ drive. and then dual boot with the boot menu button at startup. I have watched some tutorials on dual booting

Well I used to dual boot Ubuntu with LXDE windows manager and it feels so good, until I have to uninstall the Linux partition :(/> because it consumes my dedicated Steam drive and GParted refuses to run in my computer because of some random floppy disk that cannot be disabled yet in the BIOS
But I love GParted better than disk management! I have used it once in TF2 Linux Virtualbox to get that penguin and it feels much more fun and easier to use that

Is wubi good and the easiest way to install?

Linux Mint 15 is based on Ubuntu, and it's nicer (No crappy window managers).
Wubi is good, and you can uninstall using itself without going through what I had to do involving MBR restoration :)/>
EDIT: All versions of Linux Mint are based on Ubuntu

ZudoHackz, on 25 June 2013 - 02:50 AM said:

Linux Mint 15 is based on Ubuntu, and it's nicer (No crappy window managers).
Wubi is good, and you can uninstall using itself without going through what I had to do involving MBR restoration :)/>
EDIT: All versions of Linux Mint are based on Ubuntu

I think i will take and/or test ubuntu because so many recommended it. How bad would one window manager be?

12.04 or 13.04?

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:18 AM said:

12.04 or 13.04?

12.04 LTS is more stable while 13.04 is newer.

KingOfNoobs, on 25 June 2013 - 04:31 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:18 AM said:

12.04 or 13.04?

12.04 LTS is more stable while 13.04 is newer.

ok! what should i use as size of installion?
E: I'm installing it on a blank D:\ Drive, would 30GB (max) be good because it's blank and it's only going to be fo ubuntu

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 02:40 AM said:

Is wubi good and the easiest way to install?

I would highly recommended staying away from wubi and Ubuntu itself. Recently, canonical has been doing some really bad things that take away from the freedom and advantages of Linux. Use Linux mint instead. It's pretty much the same except the future of it (hopefully) is much better.

Wubi, on the other hand, creates a fake install, which is very laggy and uses a fake virtual hard drive. You should avoid it at all costs if you choose Ubuntu.

phillips1012, on 25 June 2013 - 06:33 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 02:40 AM said:

Is wubi good and the easiest way to install?

I would highly recommended staying away from wubi and Ubuntu itself. Recently, canonical has been doing some really bad things that take away from the freedom and advantages of Linux. Use Linux mint instead. It's pretty much the same except the future of it (hopefully) is much better.

Wubi, on the other hand, creates a fake install, which is very laggy and uses a fake virtual hard drive. You should avoid it at all costs if you choose Ubuntu.

I will try ubuntu, if i don't like it i'll try mint.
Wubi makes it also easly uinstallable. It's really good for testing.

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 06:41 AM said:

phillips1012, on 25 June 2013 - 06:33 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 02:40 AM said:

Is wubi good and the easiest way to install?

I would highly recommended staying away from wubi and Ubuntu itself. Recently, canonical has been doing some really bad things that take away from the freedom and advantages of Linux. Use Linux mint instead. It's pretty much the same except the future of it (hopefully) is much better.

Wubi, on the other hand, creates a fake install, which is very laggy and uses a fake virtual hard drive. You should avoid it at all costs if you choose Ubuntu.

I will try ubuntu, if i don't like it i'll try mint.
Wubi makes it also easly uinstallable. It's really good for testing.

If you want to uninstall Linux, why wouldn't you just format that partition?

Anyway, you really should try Linux Mint over Ubuntu if you're going to the Ubuntu route. They're able to install the exact same packages (in most cases), and you don't have to deal with the awful Unity window manager.

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 08:41 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 06:41 AM said:

phillips1012, on 25 June 2013 - 06:33 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 02:40 AM said:

Is wubi good and the easiest way to install?

I would highly recommended staying away from wubi and Ubuntu itself. Recently, canonical has been doing some really bad things that take away from the freedom and advantages of Linux. Use Linux mint instead. It's pretty much the same except the future of it (hopefully) is much better.

Wubi, on the other hand, creates a fake install, which is very laggy and uses a fake virtual hard drive. You should avoid it at all costs if you choose Ubuntu.

I will try ubuntu, if i don't like it i'll try mint.
Wubi makes it also easly uinstallable. It's really good for testing.

If you want to uninstall Linux, why wouldn't you just format that partition?

Anyway, you really should try Linux Mint over Ubuntu if you're going to the Ubuntu route. They're able to install the exact same packages (in most cases), and you don't have to deal with the awful Unity window manager.

What's so wrong about the unity window manager?

In my experience, it's very difficult to use. If you like using a tablet-like interface on a desktop, then by all means, go with Ubuntu. If you'd rather use a traditional desktop, use Linux Mint where at least you get your choice of window managers.

Either way, I don't see why you'd rather go with Ubuntu when you can get Linux Mint. Like I said before, Linux Mint is a fork off of Ubuntu to begin with, so they're able to use mostly the same packages are each other (except maybe in some rare, freak case). Linux Mint has a bit more freedom with it.

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 09:24 AM said:

In my experience, it's very difficult to use. If you like using a tablet-like interface on a desktop, then by all means, go with Ubuntu. If you'd rather use a traditional desktop, use Linux Mint where at least you get your choice of window managers.

Either way, I don't see why you'd rather go with Ubuntu when you can get Linux Mint. Like I said before, Linux Mint is a fork off of Ubuntu to begin with, so they're able to use mostly the same packages are each other (except maybe in some rare, freak case). Linux Mint has a bit more freedom with it.

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

The only tablet kinda thing on ubuntu is the sidebar. And I simply run the Cinnamon window manager on my Ubuntu installation, so I have no trouble with that. I wouldn't stay away from Ubuntu for unity only, there are much more important differences between distributions.

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 09:24 AM said:

In my experience, it's very difficult to use. If you like using a tablet-like interface on a desktop, then by all means, go with Ubuntu. If you'd rather use a traditional desktop, use Linux Mint where at least you get your choice of window managers.

Either way, I don't see why you'd rather go with Ubuntu when you can get Linux Mint. Like I said before, Linux Mint is a fork off of Ubuntu to begin with, so they're able to use mostly the same packages are each other (except maybe in some rare, freak case). Linux Mint has a bit more freedom with it.

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

I have used tablet and i'm going to get one

Orwell, on 25 June 2013 - 09:34 AM said:

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 09:24 AM said:

In my experience, it's very difficult to use. If you like using a tablet-like interface on a desktop, then by all means, go with Ubuntu. If you'd rather use a traditional desktop, use Linux Mint where at least you get your choice of window managers.

Either way, I don't see why you'd rather go with Ubuntu when you can get Linux Mint. Like I said before, Linux Mint is a fork off of Ubuntu to begin with, so they're able to use mostly the same packages are each other (except maybe in some rare, freak case). Linux Mint has a bit more freedom with it.

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

The only tablet kinda thing on ubuntu is the sidebar. And I simply run the Cinnamon window manager on my Ubuntu installation, so I have no trouble with that. I wouldn't stay away from Ubuntu for unity only, there are much more important differences between distributions.

Yeah, but does Canonical provide an install with any other window manager besides Unity? Last I knew, they didn't, which means he'd have to install another one, then possibly mess with the xsession settings to switch to the new window manager. It doesn't seem like he's ever even had experience with Linux and might not know how to handle all of this which means, if he doesn't want to use Unity after experiencing it, he'll have to figure out how to change to a new WM, which can be a feat at times, especially for a new user..

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 09:36 AM said:

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 09:24 AM said:

In my experience, it's very difficult to use. If you like using a tablet-like interface on a desktop, then by all means, go with Ubuntu. If you'd rather use a traditional desktop, use Linux Mint where at least you get your choice of window managers.

Either way, I don't see why you'd rather go with Ubuntu when you can get Linux Mint. Like I said before, Linux Mint is a fork off of Ubuntu to begin with, so they're able to use mostly the same packages are each other (except maybe in some rare, freak case). Linux Mint has a bit more freedom with it.

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

I have used tablet and i'm going to get one

I don't think you quite understood what I meant. Tablet interfaces on desktops are pretty inefficient for usage (in my opinion, anyway) and feel very clunky and clumsy. Though, I guess it's all up to the user to decide if they like an interface or not.

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:43 AM said:

KingOfNoobs, on 25 June 2013 - 04:31 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:18 AM said:

12.04 or 13.04?

12.04 LTS is more stable while 13.04 is newer.

ok! what should i use as size of installion?
E: I'm installing it on a blank D:\ Drive, would 30GB (max) be good because it's blank and it's only going to be fo ubuntu

anyone answer?

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 10:00 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:43 AM said:

ok! what should i use as size of installion?
E: I'm installing it on a blank D:\ Drive, would 30GB (max) be good because it's blank and it's only going to be fo ubuntu

anyone answer?

Yes, 30GB is fine for basically any OS, but it all depends on how much content you have. Music, videos, applications, programs even take space, plus you'd probably want some free space lying around for the future, unless you plan to keep this all on a separate partition. How much space do you need for everything you plan to put on? I certainly couldn't survive with 30GBs if Ubuntu was going to be my only OS installed.

If you have a crappy computer, use 12.04. I tried 12.10 and my system crashed every minute (when it wasnt lagging)
I insist you use Linux Mint!!

EDIT: Ninja'd

ZudoHackz, on 25 June 2013 - 12:05 PM said:

If you have a crappy computer, use 12.04. I tried 12.10 and my system crashed every minute (when it wasnt lagging)
I insist you use Linux Mint!!

EDIT: Ninja'd

I couldn't see 12.10 anywhere

GravityScore, on 25 June 2013 - 12:00 PM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 10:00 AM said:

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 04:43 AM said:

ok! what should i use as size of installion?
E: I'm installing it on a blank D:\ Drive, would 30GB (max) be good because it's blank and it's only going to be fo ubuntu

anyone answer?

Yes, 30GB is fine for basically any OS, but it all depends on how much content you have. Music, videos, applications, programs even take space, plus you'd probably want some free space lying around for the future, unless you plan to keep this all on a separate partition. How much space do you need for everything you plan to put on? I certainly couldn't survive with 30GBs if Ubuntu was going to be my only OS installed.

I'm going to install it with 30GB then

Installed! I don't see any window manager problems

tonkku107, on 25 June 2013 - 01:45 PM said:

Installed! I don't see any window manager problems

Because there isn't. There used to be performance issues with unity, but it was fixed/improved in one of the latest versions.
What everyone is saying is that they don't like the interface. That is not a problem, but an opinion. Also, if you don't like unity, you can always install another wm. So, that's not a reason to say some distro is bad or not.

ShadowedZenith, on 25 June 2013 - 09:24 AM said:

Also, wasn't Ubuntu adding in like advertisements and stuff into Unity? I could have sworn that they were sending unencrypted searches to Amazon or something like that when you searched your own computer/desktop.

I think you mean the shopping lens. It's not advertisement (it just allows you to make purchases from amazon directly from the dash), but yes, noone was happy when they added it :P/>. But you can turn it off, so I don't think that's a problem.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that not everyone likes the same distro, that's why there is so many of them. So, I think it's pretty stupid to say that some distro is bad, or that someone shouldn't try it out. Let him try it out, then if he doesn't like it he can try another one.

I just wanted to put out, getting linux distros to work out the way you want it can take quite a bit of effort and time. Also be sure to get these packages if you haven't already in Ubuntu:
Ubuntu restricted extras
Synaptic manager
OpenJDK 7
Java Ice Tea webstart
Compiz config manager - Great for customizing windows/the launcher and whatever!
(Possibly steam)

And if you use Google Chrome, find Google Chrome on Google Chrome's website, not within the store. However there is Chromium, an open source version of Google Chrome basically, however it isn't as well "polished".

Hope you have fun using a Linux distro!

1lann, on 25 June 2013 - 07:15 PM said:

And if you use Google Chrome, find Google Chrome on Google Chrome's website, not within the store. However there is Chromium, an open source version of Google Chrome basically, however it isn't as well "polished".

I already downloaded chrome from the website