ROM

I just had an interesting idea inspired by SIM cards. Now, I'm not saying that SIM cards are ROM but thats where the inspiration came from… Basically the idea is its a "disk" that can be written once and erased / re-written never.

Reasons to add:
1. its not hard to add (yes, i do know. dont tell me i dont.)
2. its useful (auth cards for example)
3. its cool (cool feature that has uses, why not?)

I apologise if this has been suggested before. Maybe it could be done in a different way if it has been… maybe instead of a "disk" it could be a "computer chip" type thing.. more like an SD/SIM card than a disk.

What do you think of this idea?

It has been suggested, multiple times. I believe the answer was a no.

Don't see why…

I hate how people suggest ideas multiple times and they are ignored… but whatever. What do I know? :/

To be honest, this is the one idea that I would absolutely love to have put into Computercraft. I see no reason why this, or this should be denied.

Yeah, the custom ROM one is great!

Not trying to be a whiny biatch, but the CC devs should really listen to people more….
seriously…

sci4me, on 30 September 2014 - 04:20 AM said:

Yeah, the custom ROM one is great!

Not trying to be a whiny biatch, but the CC devs should really listen to people more….
seriously…

Yeah. They either lock a topic when they don't like the suggestion or it's on the WNTS list, or they just leave perfectly good suggestions alone to go gather dust.

sci4me, on 29 September 2014 - 09:41 PM said:

… Basically the idea is its a "disk" that can be written once and erased / re-written never.

Reasons to add:
1. its not hard to add (yes, i do know. dont tell me i dont.)
2. its useful (auth cards for example)
3. its cool (cool feature that has uses, why not?)
…

Cannot be rewritten -> less useful than current disk. There are submods for id cards.

Sebra, on 30 September 2014 - 09:32 PM said:

sci4me, on 29 September 2014 - 09:41 PM said:

… Basically the idea is its a "disk" that can be written once and erased / re-written never.

Reasons to add:
1. its not hard to add (yes, i do know. dont tell me i dont.)
2. its useful (auth cards for example)
3. its cool (cool feature that has uses, why not?)
…

Cannot be rewritten -> less useful than current disk. There are submods for id cards.

Cannot be rewritten -> Read Only Memory -> Awesome -> Protected Operating Systems and other useful things

You can create your own custom ROM with resource packs. Why people feel the need to break things by adding a feature that would allow malicious programs to be written to a read-only format, I will never know. I can guess this is not going to happen for that exact reason.

Cranium, on 30 September 2014 - 11:37 PM said:

You can create your own custom ROM with resource packs. Why people feel the need to break things by adding a feature that would allow malicious programs to be written to a read-only format, I will never know. I can guess this is not going to happen for that exact reason.

First of all, just because a malicious program could be read only, doesn't mean we can't burn the disk or throw it away. Also, considering that this suggestion involves ROM disks, couldn't we just pull out the malicious disk and throw it out? And the other suggestion involves putting in the ROM in the crafting recipe. If you're the one implementing the ROM, you should be smart enough to know what's on it and that it won't brick your computer.

Second of all, yes, we could do the resource pack thing, but this would be much easier to work with AND it would allow multiple custom ROM's to run on multiple computers, something the resource pack fix can't do.

I agree this would be rather useful… if it was literally a read-only disk, I fail to see many negatives to it… (I mean how hard is it to take out a bad disk?) I can see why building it into the computer may be a bad idea, but since this has been suggested so many times, it must be a good idea? right?

Jiloacom, on 30 September 2014 - 11:10 PM said:

Sebra, on 30 September 2014 - 09:32 PM said:

sci4me, on 29 September 2014 - 09:41 PM said:

…

Cannot be rewritten -> less useful than current disk. There are submods for id cards.

Cannot be rewritten -> Read Only Memory -> Awesome -> Protected Operating Systems and other useful things

If it is not the internal ROM of Computer -> no real protection. External rom disk is a waste of resources.

Cranium, on 30 September 2014 - 11:37 PM said:

You can create your own custom ROM with resource packs.

In single play it's ok. But if other players would be forced to use your custom rom…

Cranium, on 30 September 2014 - 11:37 PM said:

…I will never know….

You restrict yourself ;)/>

acepilot1122, on 01 October 2014 - 04:40 PM said:

…since this has been suggested so many times, it must be a good idea? right?

No.

Sebra, on 02 October 2014 - 06:44 AM said:

Jiloacom, on 30 September 2014 - 11:10 PM said:

Sebra, on 30 September 2014 - 09:32 PM said:

sci4me, on 29 September 2014 - 09:41 PM said:

…

Cannot be rewritten -> less useful than current disk. There are submods for id cards.

Cannot be rewritten -> Read Only Memory -> Awesome -> Protected Operating Systems and other useful things

If it is not the internal ROM of Computer -> no real protection. External rom disk is a waste of resources.

Please explain yourself, because your reasoning of "Because it's not the internal ROM of the computer, there's no real protection" makes no sense whatsoever. Just because it's a ROM Disk, doesn't mean it has no protection.

EDIT: Just realized, this is my 256th post. 8 bit tastic!

Custom ROM via crafting suggests a way to protect computer's software from external troubles by changing internal ROM.
Any external ROM or RAM disks can be substituted, so no real protection.
"Waste of resources" means you need spend additional items in order to change disk data. You need to recraft it basically.
Is this explanation clear enough?

Sebra, on 03 October 2014 - 06:44 PM said:

Custom ROM via crafting suggests a way to protect computer's software from external troubles by changing internal ROM.
Any external ROM or RAM disks can be substituted, so no real protection.
"Waste of resources" means you need spend additional items in order to change disk data. You need to recraft it basically.
Is this explanation clear enough?

Ah, so you're thinking external ROM disks means we would just be inserting into the computer like the regular internal ROM, then we can just pull it out and push it in whenever we want. I thought it was going to be like a game disk, where you can read and install stuff off of it, but not write on it (accidentally said "but not read off of it"). Which would mean protected operating systems and programs people could distribute, without having to worry that someone may take their disk, put a virus on it, and redistribute it under the program's name.

EDIT: And authentication cards that can't be changed is another useful thing. The internal ROM suggestion would be much nicer to have though, IMO.

EDIT EDIT: See the bold text.

External disks are read by the disk drive.
Disk, you cannot read, but can install from, is a quite bad idea. It would not protect from viruses. It would encourage backdoors.
Authentication cards should be hard to forge. So they need own reader and writer. If you can create ROM disk with any data you want - no real protection, only waste of resources.

Sebra, on 04 October 2014 - 06:23 AM said:

External disks are read by the disk drive.
Disk, you cannot read, but can install from, is a quite bad idea. It would not protect from viruses. It would encourage backdoors.
Authentication cards should be hard to forge. So they need own reader and writer. If you can create ROM disk with any data you want - no real protection, only waste of resources.

Yes.
That was a typo in my post. Thus, I believe the second point is invalid.
You've already made that point.

Ok seriously, the thing about malicious programs being read only is actually retarded. Make it a config option! Seriously!
Stupid!

Also, the resource pack thing is "useless" and not what I meant.

Also, I am of the opinion that "malicious" programs are just stupid. Why not allow them? Makes the game 10000x more fun!
Are we really going to restrict users because of something like that?

FYI it's not that hard to make things malicious that are almost as hard to fix as they would be with a ROM (which is NOT hard AT ALL)… so.. basically that point is completely invalid.

Why not make it a config option? There is NO down-side to that! It only benefits the people who want it!

Honestly, forget everything about the in-game use for a second, and consider this: its a cool feature that people could use for stuff. It has no down-side (I have yet to think of or read one that is actually valid). So why not? Because the CC team doesn't listen to users? Probably…

sci4me, on 04 October 2014 - 11:44 PM said:

Ok seriously, the thing about malicious programs being read only is actually retarded. Make it a config option! Seriously!
Stupid!

Also, the resource pack thing is "useless" and not what I meant.

Also, I am of the opinion that "malicious" programs are just stupid. Why not allow them? Makes the game 10000x more fun!
Are we really going to restrict users because of something like that?

FYI it's not that hard to make things malicious that are almost as hard to fix as they would be with a ROM (which is NOT hard AT ALL)… so.. basically that point is completely invalid.

Why not make it a config option? There is NO down-side to that! It only benefits the people who want it!

Honestly, forget everything about the in-game use for a second, and consider this: its a cool feature that people could use for stuff. It has no down-side (I have yet to think of or read one that is actually valid). So why not? Because the CC team doesn't listen to users? Probably…

They added in the stupid ability to dye turtles because a few people would find it cool. If you're going to do THAT, why not do THIS?

Dan200 can make read only disks for you. If it make you happy?

Actually, better than ROM, would be the ability to set read/write settings. We all should be familiar with floppy disks, so the little write protection switch on the disk itself would be a perfect compromise for everyone. You'll have to shift right click it to set it to either mode.

Sebra, on 05 October 2014 - 08:22 AM said:

Dan200 can make read only disks for you. If it make you happy?

I thought that's what this discussion was all about. If he did, yes, I would be happy.

Yeah, they did add the stupid dye thing which is useless compared to this.

Dan should add this, but more importantly:
the CC team should actually listen to their users!

sci4me, on 05 October 2014 - 09:29 PM said:

Yeah, they did add the stupid dye thing which is useless compared to this.

Dan should add this, but more importantly:
the CC team should actually listen to their users!

+1 So many great suggestions have just been lost and forgotten because dan/cloudy never decided to go over and say "Hm, 90% of Computercraft loves this. Why not add it?".

1.Dan200 should do what he likes.
2.Dan200 listen to users and implement what he likes.
3.Dan200 have other interests too. Did you paid him to implement your interests?

Cranium, on 05 October 2014 - 05:32 PM said:

Actually, better than ROM, would be the ability to set read/write settings. We all should be familiar with floppy disks, so the little write protection switch on the disk itself would be a perfect compromise for everyone. You'll have to shift right click it to set it to either mode.

Or maybe a simple chmod function?

Sebra, on 06 October 2014 - 07:04 AM said:

1.Dan200 should do what he likes.
2.Dan200 listen to users and implement what he likes.
3.Dan200 have other interests too. Did you paid him to implement your interests?

4. Dan200 should be able to pick his own lawyer.

Let's not let this topic get locked because people are complaining about what Dan does and doesn't do.

Bring it back on target people.

Cranium, on 06 October 2014 - 05:58 PM said:

Bring it back on target people.

Agree.

Cranium, on 05 October 2014 - 05:32 PM said:

Actually, better than ROM, would be the ability to set read/write settings. We all should be familiar with floppy disks, so the little write protection switch on the disk itself would be a perfect compromise for everyone. You'll have to shift right click it to set it to either mode.

Agree.

CoLDarkness, on 06 October 2014 - 02:08 PM said:

Or maybe a simple chmod function?

Will not help.

4. Dan200 should be able to pick his own lawyer.

I am not ;)/>

i would love to be able to edit ROM (lol that doesnt make sense its read only memory) or make a custom ROM on top of the real ROM that replaces the CC ROM
i would love to make a game console or a wired network hacking computer.
i hope this gets implemented.