Nova Horizon (v1.2)

• Create a folder in Nova/apps, with the name of your program.
• Inside, place your program, and rename it to "main.lua" (the .lua will disappear, and it should say "Lua script file" below)
• Create a new file, and rename it "appconfig.txt" (again, the .txt will disappear, and it should say "Plain text file" below)
• Open this file in Edit (it may open in Run, if so, close Run, right click on "open with", select Edit, and click ok)
• Write the following lines:
• runmode = "compatibility";
• fullscreen = true; – if you want your program to use the entire screen.
• After relogging, you should then be able to open Nova/apps, and launch your app. (it will no longer display it as a folder, but as a Nova app).

Spoiler

• Multiple secure users.
• Easy to use file browser, with encryption, archiving, and a favourites bar.
• Advanced text editor, with selection, undo/redo support, and an inbuilt debugger (run your program).
• Advanced paint app, with text support, multiple layers, and loads of useful tools.
• Support to run any computercraft program.
• BBTetris by Bomb Bloke.
• An experimental NetworkTest app to show networking works.
• Screenshotting.
• Add users, rename accounts, change passwords, and delete your account from the settings app.

Jiloacom, on 05 November 2014 - 12:27 AM said:

If you work hard on it, I'm sure it will surpass even OneOS. (Sorry oeed).

oeed, on 05 November 2014 - 01:21 AM said:

<p>Wow.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>This is really impressive. Some bits do look a little like OneOS, but never the less it&amp;#39;s really good.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>A few small comments/issues:</p>
<ul>
<li>With your &amp;#39;press right control&amp;#39; function, Mac keyboards don&amp;#39;t have a right control key… so, yea.</li>
<li>Maybe give all the default programs access to everything by default rather than having to click allow when you first use the OS.</li>
<li>The scrolling is really nice and smooth, good job!</li>
</ul>

BeaubeauFett, on 05 November 2014 - 03:52 AM said:

This is all I get after it asks me "would you like a tour?"

awsumben13, on 04 November 2014 - 10:42 PM said:

• "The screen has gone white". This is because an app UI has errored and not been caught, crashing the OS UI. This should never happen, but in spots I have missed a bit of code that will stop this. If it happens, use ctrl-r to reboot, and please tell me what you did you cause it to crash, as well as the Nova/logs/log.txt file.

Jiloacom, on 05 November 2014 - 12:27 AM said:

Whenever I try to click the general tab in the settings program, it will show it for a brief moment, but then it crashes with white

Requiem, on 05 November 2014 - 12:48 AM said:

Wow, this is awesome.
If you want to, you can use this, it's a custom shell I wrote for OS developers, and I think you could use it here.

It adds custom commands, such as "@prev" that lists all previously typed commands and a blacklist for specific programs or arguments to a program, so "edit" would blacklist edit, or "edit test" would blacklist editing "test", also works with directories.

oeed, on 05 November 2014 - 01:21 AM said:

Wow.

This is really impressive. Some bits do look a little like OneOS, but never the less it's really good.

A few small comments/issues:

With your 'press right control' function, Mac keyboards don't have a right control key… so, yea.
Maybe give all the default programs access to everything by default rather than having to click allow when you first use the OS.
The scrolling is really nice and smooth, good job!

BeaubeauFett, on 05 November 2014 - 03:32 AM said:

After installation and account setup, I got past the "Would you like a tour" screen, and it just goes blank. Is there something that can fix this?

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 01:01 PM said:

I've made a new patch, with a couple of fixes.
- Apps barely lag at all now when opening them for the first time, this is due to the core_[permission name] permissions being compressed into one "core" permission.
- Fixed the Settings/General error, it was caused by the computer having no label, because apparently tostring( os.getComputerLabel() ) errors if there is no computer label.
- If the Home app errors, it will now display a "Restart or Reset" interface.
- Changed the show running apps button to f1 rather than right ctrl for all you mac users… (mac does have an f1 key right?)
- If the time server isn't on the http whitelist, it will no longer error, just show "??:??" in the bottom right

To get this version, it's the same pastebin id (pastebin get m342HLd6 startup)
Hope this helps.

Freack100, on 05 November 2014 - 02:35 PM said:

The most awesome thing is, it works with Pocket Computers!

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 02:54 PM said:

Freack100, on 05 November 2014 - 02:35 PM said:

The most awesome thing is, it works with Pocket Computers!

Really? I tried it on a pocket computer, and it didn't work out too well (mainly due to everything being ridiculously squashed).
Also, I just noticed, the time will always display "??:??" even if the website is whitelisted due to a rookie code mistake. As it's nothing too big I won't update, but that is a bug if you're wondering.

Glad everyone is enjoying the OS :)/>

I do have a question though: is the "would you like to take a tour?" style of doing things helpful, or is the Designer "Help" dropdown menu a better approach? I am planning on adding help to Paint, Files, and Edit, and would like to know which is more helpful and which I should use.

BeaubeauFett, on 05 November 2014 - 03:52 AM said:

This is all I get after it asks me "would you like a tour?"

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 01:01 PM said:

- Changed the show running apps button to f1 rather than right ctrl for all you mac users… (mac does have an f1 key right?)

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 10:30 PM said:

I think Nova looks pretty awesome! I am a bit frustrated by the alphabetical organizing of apps though. Other than that, great job!

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 11:14 PM said:

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 10:30 PM said:

I think Nova looks pretty awesome! I am a bit frustrated by the alphabetical organizing of apps though. Other than that, great job!

I'm glad you mentioned that, I was thinking of making it so apps will fill up each column rather than having a whole column for each letter. I will probably change this, unless anyone has any objections.

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 11:20 PM said:

Hey oeed, try to limit mouse movement, and definitely implement some of the OneOS programs, like the door lock for computer/PDA, and Transmit (which should be standalone too).

Also, CC is at a lack of games. One of my favorites is rednet TRON. See if you can add some awesome networking tools/games.

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 11:32 PM said:

And as you mention networking… http://puu.sh/cERel/b75fdec7b0.png just a little sneak peak of what's coming up. (FTP access between computers, network access using the Nova network library, stuff like that…)

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 11:35 PM said:

awsumben13, on 05 November 2014 - 11:32 PM said:

And as you mention networking… http://puu.sh/cERel/b75fdec7b0.png just a little sneak peak of what's coming up. (FTP access between computers, network access using the Nova network library, stuff like that…)

Yaay! I am happy now. TIme to build giant rednet and disknet repeaters for LuaLand…

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 11:56 PM said:

So what, does it use HTTP rather than rednet? Because it should (also) use rednet.

local modem = peripheral.wrap "left" -- get the modem
modem.transmit( 1, 1, "Hello" ) -- send Hello on channel 1
modem.open( 1 ) -- open the modem to receive data on this channel
local ev = { os.pullEvent() }
while ev[1] ~= "modem_message" do -- wait for a modem message
	ev = { os.pullEvent() }
end
print( ev[5] ) -- print the message it got

awsumben13, on 06 November 2014 - 12:00 AM said:

LDDestroier, on 05 November 2014 - 11:56 PM said:

So what, does it use HTTP rather than rednet? Because it should (also) use rednet.

It simply uses modem messages. If you don't know what I'm talking about, rednet is actually a wrapper around modems. You can wrap a modem just like any other peripheral, and then send and receive data. For example

local modem = peripheral.wrap "left" -- get the modem
modem.transmit( 1, 1, "Hello" ) -- send Hello on channel 1
modem.open( 1 ) -- open the modem to receive data on this channel
local ev = { os.pullEvent() }
while ev[1] ~= "modem_message" do -- wait for a modem message
	ev = { os.pullEvent() }
end
print( ev[5] ) -- print the message it got

So it uses this functionality to send and receive data, but also encrypts the data it's sending, which rednet doesn't do.

Edit: with the apps stacking on top of eachother, the homescreen looks like this: http://puu.sh/cETuq/c4fb0e244d.png

Jiloacom, on 06 November 2014 - 12:21 AM said:

awsumben13, on 06 November 2014 - 12:00 AM said:

-snip-
Edit: with the apps stacking on top of eachother, the homescreen looks like this: http://puu.sh/cETuq/c4fb0e244d.png

I for one like that desktop approach.

LDDestroier, on 06 November 2014 - 01:25 AM said:

Whoops, I overlooked the Nova creator name. I thought it was oeed that made it. Take it as a compliment, it looks great. I wonder if there's a multiboot application for OneOS and Nova as duel-boot…

BeaubeauFett, on 06 November 2014 - 12:47 AM said:

Question, Is there a way to save a short cut to a folder to the home screen? If not, I highly suggest it lol.

Jiloacom, on 06 November 2014 - 02:41 AM said:

Even regular CraftOS should have a shortcut feature. It's that good. :D/>

Jiloacom, on 06 November 2014 - 02:41 AM said:

BeaubeauFett, on 06 November 2014 - 12:47 AM said:

Question, Is there a way to save a short cut to a folder to the home screen? If not, I highly suggest it lol.

Best.
Suggestion.
Ever.

Even regular CraftOS should have a shortcut feature. It's that good. :D/>

theoriginalbit, on 06 November 2014 - 03:44 AM said:

Jiloacom, on 06 November 2014 - 02:41 AM said:

Even regular CraftOS should have a shortcut feature. It's that good. :D/>

CraftOS does have shortcuts, it's called aliases

BeaubeauFett, on 06 November 2014 - 06:38 AM said:

Jiloacom, on 06 November 2014 - 02:41 AM said:

BeaubeauFett, on 06 November 2014 - 12:47 AM said:

Question, Is there a way to save a short cut to a folder to the home screen? If not, I highly suggest it lol.

Best.
Suggestion.
Ever.

Even regular CraftOS should have a shortcut feature. It's that good. :D/>

Thank you lol.


One thing I noticed though, is that I tried to run BBTetris (http://www.computerc...15878-bbtetris/) and it gave me an error, something along the line of "attempted to use null value" I can use the program just fine on the stock craftos but for some reason it doesn't work, even when I use it in the "Run" program instead of just clicking the file icon. I have yet to try any of the other games though.

once again, great os, now that i've used it a bit today, I'm starting to think I wouldn't be able to work in the computer without it. Simply amazing lol.

ade125, on 07 November 2014 - 07:35 AM said:

I am absolutely sure that macs have a secondary "command" (essentially windows) key.
So can you add a toggle that (like) switches Ctrl and Cmd?

Great. Bye OneOS. (sorry oeed)

How do I make apps? I would like to get some ready.

oeed, on 07 November 2014 - 07:43 AM said:

ade125, on 07 November 2014 - 07:35 AM said:

I am absolutely sure that macs have a secondary "command" (essentially windows) key.
So can you add a toggle that (like) switches Ctrl and Cmd?

Great. Bye OneOS. (sorry oeed)

How do I make apps? I would like to get some ready.

Yep, they've got two command keys, but ComputerCraft doesn't say that it's a control key (as it should).

*snips your picture*

I'd agree with that actually, being able to toggle between command and control.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out against OneOS in the long run. I have been working on it over the past few days and have a few new funky features lined up, but we'll see…

Thejebforge, on 08 November 2014 - 03:03 PM said:

That OS is very raw! I cant add new apps from pastebin etc, where does the customization gone? Score: 5/10

Thejebforge, on 05 November 2014 - 06:46 PM said:

November 2014 is that time when new pretty looking OSes being released! Your OS is pretty cool! I have ragedeleted my OS when I have saw your OS, my wtOS really sucks!

LDDestroier, on 07 November 2014 - 07:23 PM said:

Say, when will version 1.1 of Nova come out? Also, could you try to make Nova work with LuaGRUB2 (link)? I want a OneOS/Nova multiboot PDA!

awsumben13, on 08 November 2014 - 05:03 PM said:

Thejebforge, on 08 November 2014 - 03:03 PM said:

That OS is very raw! I cant add new apps from pastebin etc, where does the customization gone? Score: 5/10

You can't install apps from pastebin because I simply haven't written the apps yet. There is no point distributing an OS with 2 apps and making the user download the other equally important ones. The only reason I will have an app store at any point is because there are enough apps to make the homescreen look messy and if not all of these apps are essential. As for writing your own apps, it's very easy to do. Literally, just make a folder in Nova/apps, give it a main.lua file, and it will appear on the homescreen to test right away.
Also, what is there to customise exactly? The homescreen colour? While it may look neat, it doesn't really add anything, and chances are it will make the icons for the apps look weird.
I'm not saying it's not going to get customisable, but I wrote the majority of this in just over a week, and posted it to see if it was going in the right direction, so there's not too much to customise at the moment.

Thejebforge, on 05 November 2014 - 06:46 PM said:

November 2014 is that time when new pretty looking OSes being released! Your OS is pretty cool! I have ragedeleted my OS when I have saw your OS, my wtOS really sucks!

What changed? You seemed to like it before, has it got any worse, or have you just changed your mind?

LDDestroier, on 07 November 2014 - 07:23 PM said:

Say, when will version 1.1 of Nova come out? Also, could you try to make Nova work with LuaGRUB2 (link)? I want a OneOS/Nova multiboot PDA!

Not sure when Nova 1.1 will come out, but sadly I'm going back to school in 2 days, so won't get as much time to work on it as before. I have talked to the developer of LuaGRUB, so you can expect Nova 1.1 to work with it.

ElvishJerricco, on 13 November 2014 - 02:10 AM said:

I'm curious how the file type thing works. Is there a header at the top of files or something?

LDDestroier, on 12 November 2014 - 08:59 PM said:

-So how is the FTP going? Is it going to have rednet and http support? Will it be shiny?
-Will you make your own appstore, or use oeed's? If you do use oeed's, will you make another client for it?
-Will you make it so that, at first install, the apps it detects when it installs have all the permissions they need?
-Do you like waffles?
-Can you try to make a chat program that can integrate itself with the FTP program, so you can send files to people with their name as well as ID?
-Do you think you could manage making a store app? Maybe it could use disks with a special ultra-encrypted code as currency, which could be spendable at special stores. Insert a disk with an ultra encrypted code (with 100 moola), buy something that's 45 moola, and you have 55 moola left.

I love this OS almost as much as I love OneOS. I consider it one of the only great OSes I know.
Please answer my vast quantity of questions!

DannySMc, on 21 November 2014 - 11:07 AM said:

I am really impressed, nicely designed, intuitive, and very nice graphical user interface!
Maybe add some programs for word documents? and rednet transfer programs, other than really well done!

:D/>

DoomRater, on 26 November 2014 - 03:34 PM said:

The ability to add programs I can run right off the desktop pretty much seals the deal. OneOS may be more mature at the moment, but it doesn't have logins and I'd really rather not set up a SECOND MFFS interdiction matrix just for my personal office.

Some things I'd like to develop for it include being able to login via a mag-stripe card. Support for the Mag-Reader block should be as simple as catching the "mag_swipe" event and filling in the password field with the stored data.

"mag_swipe", data, side – Queued when a card is read.

oeed, on 26 November 2014 - 09:27 PM said:

I really don't understand why people want login systems so much. I mean, really, what's the point. Ignoring the fact that it's very easy to bypass, what would anyone have that needs protecting. I get door locks obviously, but what files do you have that need passwords. Personally I think login systems just make everything slow and annoying.

Now, as it was mentioned, this doesn't mean you can't have a password. You cloud get or make a program which then runs OneOS.

RainbowDashDC, on 26 November 2014 - 11:59 PM said:

oeed, on 26 November 2014 - 09:27 PM said:

I really don't understand why people want login systems so much. I mean, really, what's the point. Ignoring the fact that it's very easy to bypass, what would anyone have that needs protecting. I get door locks obviously, but what files do you have that need passwords. Personally I think login systems just make everything slow and annoying.

Now, as it was mentioned, this doesn't mean you can't have a password. You cloud get or make a program which then runs OneOS.

You can make very secure password system actually.

Take for an example you have a virtual file system using JSON, which you AES encrypt using AESLUA. Then, upon boot some sort of initalramfs asks you for the password of the disk; it then decrypts it if right, or doesn't if wrong. Now, tell me how easy it is to crack AES. Last I checked, it's not, infact it's considered impossible as of now.

Just because some implementations of logins systems have been bad, doesn't mean the idea is worthless, that's how we got the light bulb after all.

oeed, on 27 November 2014 - 01:51 AM said:

RainbowDashDC, on 26 November 2014 - 11:59 PM said:

oeed, on 26 November 2014 - 09:27 PM said:

I really don't understand why people want login systems so much. I mean, really, what's the point. Ignoring the fact that it's very easy to bypass, what would anyone have that needs protecting. I get door locks obviously, but what files do you have that need passwords. Personally I think login systems just make everything slow and annoying.

Now, as it was mentioned, this doesn't mean you can't have a password. You cloud get or make a program which then runs OneOS.

You can make very secure password system actually.

Take for an example you have a virtual file system using JSON, which you AES encrypt using AESLUA. Then, upon boot some sort of initalramfs asks you for the password of the disk; it then decrypts it if right, or doesn't if wrong. Now, tell me how easy it is to crack AES. Last I checked, it's not, infact it's considered impossible as of now.

Just because some implementations of logins systems have been bad, doesn't mean the idea is worthless, that's how we got the light bulb after all.

Oh I'm not saying that password checking isn't secure. You can make a secure password system with simple hashing. The thing is I can still really easily by pass it. Plonk down a disk drive with a custom startup and just edit out the password checker. It's not like you've got Russian missile codes on your computer (you don't right? :P/>) that need to be kept secure.

I mean, I might look in to adding it if people want it. But I think user directories are not needed. Just make another computer.

awsumben13, on 21 November 2014 - 08:26 PM said:

DannySMc, on 21 November 2014 - 11:07 AM said:

I am really impressed, nicely designed, intuitive, and very nice graphical user interface!
Maybe add some programs for word documents? and rednet transfer programs, other than really well done!

:D/>

Thanks for the feedback. A Word program is a must, and after some tweaking of the UI library I think i'll be able to manage some in-text formatting options, such as changing text colour and background colour.

I also realised that the UI library is self-contained, so when I'm happy with the new features I'll release it as a standalone API that you can use by writing "os.loadAPI("NovaUI")".
For those that are interested, it is on a similar level to bedrock, with some advancements and some restrictions (which in my opinion make it better, but that might just be me). I'll be trying to make the Nova API cater for apps which should work on their own too (not adding too powerful features, tempting people to rely on the OS too much and not release the program as a standalone thing, but releasing those libraries separately so most apps will work without Nova).

Sadly, an actual OS update is pretty far away. I just started rewriting, as the first release was a little premature. The plus side of this is that code will be a lot more organised, consistent, easy to use, and hopefully even more modular.
The new update (codename "Nova Horizon") will have some really nice improvements to the UI. When I started writing Nova, I was adding to the UI library as I was adding to the OS, but then after writing apps and adding new UI elements, it left the older OS UI looking a bit bland and not using the full UI library. As I'm starting from scratch, the OS will be able to use the full UI library, meaning it will look pretty awesome.

The full details:

Spoiler

In addition, the filesystem library will be more stable and far quicker (use caching) and I'll be writing it with ftp in mind. When I tried implementing ftp using the current filesystem library and Files app, I realised it was sending 3-4 read requests per file so it could get file types, file sizes, and other information. Using a cache, it will only have to send one request, and will result in 3/4 times faster loading speeds, not to mention the reduced network traffic.

Users will also be a bit better. Security features such as different login methods will be available (think of the password settings on Android).
– Edit: thinking about this, probably not going to happen, at least not for a while.
Modularity in user configs will mean less content has to be decrypted/encrypted each time something is changed, which, again, is a big improvement for apps that save data.

I'll also be improving multitasking and apps in general. No more "blah has requested to use blah", and apps will be able to talk to eachother, share data and perform actions on eachother. Also, there will be a "Nova" dropdown present at all times, like there is in the Home app currently, and that will bring up an overlay on top of the running app with things like the time, running apps, notifications, and possibly stuff to do with the running app.
The home app will be transferred from being an app to a kernel-side UI, and will have a shortcut on the overlay mentioned above.

The first release of Nova Horizon will have similar functionality to now, maybe even less (when I rewrite the Paint app again, I want it to be very in depth, with layer support, copy/pasting, brush sizes, selections, etc. This (clearly) will take time, and I think releasing Nova Horizon will be a long enough wait), but after that i'll be back in competition with OneOS and be working hard to catch up.

In conclusion, I am working on this, but an update is at least a couple of weeks away. When the update is out, i'll probably take a short break, and then come back with tonnes of features.

If anybody is interested in helping with the development, let me know, I'll be very grateful of any help I can get, and as always, any design ideas, features, or app ideas are greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading.

<p tc:blue>Hello world!</p>
<br>
<p width:20px>This is a long bit of text that will be word wrapped at 20 pixels across.</p>
<!-- You could give ^ a height smaller than what it wraps to and it will create a scrollbar automatically-->
<br>
<t width:100% height:50% bc:<?lua
	local n = 2 ^ math.random( 1, 14 ) -- exclude white/black
	for name, col in pairs( colours ) do
		if col == n then
			write( name )
			break
		end
	end
?>></t>

awsumben13, on 29 November 2014 - 07:01 PM said:

I've put up an update, which you can download in-game using the automatic updater (or if for some reason that doesn't work, the same pastebin link).

I have started to work on the new and updated NML. NML is similar to HTML in a way, and allows you to create pages of UI elements. This new version adds 2 new apps, Browser, and NetServer.

NetServer allows you to host a website. You can take it on and off line, change the root path, and install plugins. There is 1 plugin which you can install in the app, called "Lua". Basically, when the server gets a request, it reads the file, and if it finds "<?" in the file, it will run the content of the "<?pluginname … ?>" with the plugin. The Lua plugin allows you to call write() and print() to add to the stream of the text to be returned to the client.
If you try and access a directory, it will look for the index.nml file inside that directory, and if it can't find wherever you're looking for, it will try and respond with the content of the noindex.nml file.

Browser is a very WIP client for looking at these pages. You type in the id of the computer you want to view, followed by an optional "/" and a path, and it will fetch the file from that computer (or index.nml file if you just type the id) and display the result.

This is all rednet based, using the Nova networking library. The plus side of this is that it features secure data transfer (it's all encrypted) so don't worry about your stuff being broadcasted to people.

If you want to test this out and make a little website, there are currently 4 tags implemented. Text (t), paragraph (p), newline (nl, br), space (s). The space and newline tags don't have a closing tag.

A space basically writes a " " in, because whitespace at the end and beginning of text/paragraph objects is trimmed.
A newline goes down below all the objects in that element (inside a text/paragraph object, or the main body)
A paragraph and text object allow you to write text onto the screen. You can give them a width and a height in the format "width:10px" or "width:10%" for example, and you can give them background and text colour like "tc:blue" or "bc:lightBlue". A paragraph is different from a text object because it effectively has a "<br>" at the end.

An example website:

<p tc:blue>Hello world!</p>
<br>
<p width:20px>This is a long bit of text that will be word wrapped at 20 pixels across.</p>
<!-- You could give ^ a height smaller than what it wraps to and it will create a scrollbar automatically-->
<br>
<t width:100% height:50% bc:<?lua
	local n = 2 ^ math.random( 1, 14 ) -- exclude white/black
	for name, col in pairs( colours ) do
		if col == n then
			write( name )
			break
		end
	end
?>></t>

That would display some text on the top, a word wrapped paragraph, and then a big box which is a different random colour each time.

Anyway, have fun with this. I'll be adding in a lot more soon, like <f> or <div> for a frame or div, <hr> for a horizontal line, <button> and <link> which have onClick functions or go to other sites, <image> which will load an image and display it, <script> which will run Lua script on the client, and a full UI for the browser with history, a web address, maybe <head> support, and some options.

DoomRater, on 14 December 2014 - 04:04 PM said:

If you ask me about windowing, it's a neat trick as long as the programs inside know to update after a resize.

• Permissions. I know people didn't like this before, but it is SUPER useful!
• Admin/Regular Accounts. This would be useful on a shared computer.
• Key bind editing. Let the user choose which key is their function key.
• Stand alone host for chat, web and ftp. While having hosts built into the OS is nice for new users, being able to host a Nova Service without the Nova OS UI overhead will be great.
• Add a space before inputs.

willwac, on 14 December 2014 - 10:50 PM said:

-snip-
[*]Add a space before inputs.

-snip-
As you can see, the text in the password field overflows to the left a bit.

KingofGamesYami, on 15 December 2014 - 03:53 AM said:

willwac, on 14 December 2014 - 10:50 PM said:

-snip-
[*]Add a space before inputs.
-snip-
As you can see, the text in the password field overflows to the left a bit.

Thats your texture pack, it's impossible to do that with the default font.
ComputerCraft, why do you have no font api?

willwac, on 15 December 2014 - 11:28 PM said:

KingofGamesYami, on 15 December 2014 - 03:53 AM said:

willwac, on 14 December 2014 - 10:50 PM said:

-snip-
[*]Add a space before inputs.
-snip-
As you can see, the text in the password field overflows to the left a bit.

Thats your texture pack, it's impossible to do that with the default font.
ComputerCraft, why do you have no font api?

Thanks, and I love your footer! Does anyone know a fix to this? I'm using the Faithful 32x32 pack.

nickname912, on 23 December 2014 - 10:12 AM said:

Do you have the abiltiy to share files betwen nova devices?

If not, please make it and build it inside the system so you don't have to open an app to recive files.

Thank you for a good os!

DannySMc, on 23 December 2014 - 10:28 AM said:

nickname912, on 23 December 2014 - 10:12 AM said:

Do you have the abiltiy to share files betwen nova devices?

If not, please make it and build it inside the system so you don't have to open an app to recive files.

Thank you for a good os!

Do you want me to add one in?:D/>/>

awsumben13, on 23 December 2014 - 12:52 PM said:

Of course you can, but you might not know how to work with the multitasking or UI. Feel free to try though and if you get stuck just ask.

DannySMc, on 23 December 2014 - 04:36 PM said:

awsumben13, on 23 December 2014 - 12:52 PM said:

Of course you can, but you might not know how to work with the multitasking or UI. Feel free to try though and if you get stuck just ask.

Dude it's pretty simple, I have already edited your program for someone on my server who wanted to add a his own programs… :P/> But I can have a look when I am home!

awsumben13, on 23 December 2014 - 06:12 PM said:

DannySMc, on 23 December 2014 - 04:36 PM said:

awsumben13, on 23 December 2014 - 12:52 PM said:

Of course you can, but you might not know how to work with the multitasking or UI. Feel free to try though and if you get stuck just ask.

Dude it's pretty simple, I have already edited your program for someone on my server who wanted to add a his own programs… :P/> But I can have a look when I am home!

Seriously? You could write a file transfer program just from looking at the current apps? Impressive if so, and thanks for the help :)/>

awsumben13, on 26 December 2014 - 11:29 PM said:

Nova 2.0 is in the works. Rather than being just a graphical interface, this will also have the ability to run without various features, such as a UI, networking, modified fs, etc. It will do this using a module system… you will be able to call Nova.module.register(), Nova.module.load() and Nova.module.unload() to affect the code Nova runs. In addition, it won't be packed up into a single file, so you'll be able to delete the files you don't need to save space.

Right now, it can't do much: all the modules work other than "network" and "UI", but these are by far the two most important ones. The reason I'm posting this is because I'd like to know how the networking library should work. The internal code of Nova 2.0 will be aimed at developers, so I'd like to have some feedback. I could implement a real-life-internet-like API, but it seems like overkill (and will take quite a while), or I could simply add a little library that handles key exchange and whitelisting. I don't mind either way, it's up to you!

If you'd like to see the development of Nova 2.0, source code is now on GitHub.
Thanks for reading.

DoomRater, on 26 December 2014 - 11:34 PM said:

Now we're talking! The ability to make a server software that other computers hook into and run little bits of code from would always be a nice setup. And that's one of the plans I'd have with this particular OS.

Actual APIs please? It'd be nice to develop apps that use minimal amounts of code because all the important stuff is already written and modularized.

ByteMe, on 26 December 2014 - 11:38 PM said:

awsumben13, on 26 December 2014 - 11:29 PM said:

-snip-

I haven't been on lualand for a while been working on it's new website :)/>. Is there anything new on the GUI side of things?

KingofGamesYami, on 29 December 2014 - 10:53 PM said:

–snip–

KingofGamesYami, on 29 December 2014 - 10:53 PM said:

Multitasking - Windows, but minimizing is a must. When minimized, a window should basically "pause", ei no longer be resumed. (In the case of a program using timer events, queue the timer event when the window is maximized). I realize this is a daunting task, and wish you luck!

• Option 1: password - just a simple text password.
• Option 2: pin - a 4 number pin.
• Option 3: pattern - a 3x3 grid of buttons where you can click on them to draw a pattern.
• Option 4: no password - self explanatory?

LDDestroier, on 31 December 2014 - 06:49 PM said:

I once saw a thing on the CC forums called 'ramdisk', which allowed theoretically infinite storage capabilities, but only for the current session. How about, you try making/finding a file/folder compressor, compress the operating system, then at bootup, decompress it into the ramdrive. It would allow greater space. And if you add too many files, it could ask you to, maybe, insert a disk which would be specially formatted to store extra data for Nova to use as if the programs on the disk were in the programs folder. So, if you had a disk with npaintpro, and you had Quest on the computer, the 'Programs' folder would read "Npaintpro, Quest."

EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.computerc...mited-capacity/

So in short…
1. The installer file downloads the compressed version of Nova and the startup file.
2. The startup file decompresses the compressed version of Nova and puts it in the ramdrive.
3. At shutdown, it takes all files, and compresses them on the drive for next startup.

4. If you run out of space, it asks for a disk to store things on.
If you put a program on a disk from the prompt, it will show up on the programs list as if it were on the pc.

Good idea?

awsumben13, on 30 December 2014 - 11:40 PM said:

I will implement an app store at some point. The limiting factor for me before was my limited knowledge of html/css/js etc, but I have someone that might be helping make the website (where you can upload/create apps). Hopefully, this will end up a bit like CCAppStore by oeed, but who knows.

LDDestroier, on 31 December 2014 - 06:49 PM said:

-snip-
Good idea?

Mr. Bateman, on 31 December 2014 - 11:23 PM said:

LDDestroier, on 31 December 2014 - 06:49 PM said:

-snip-
Good idea?

You run the risk of losing everything since last save if the computer errors out or the user forces a shutdown. Plus compressing anything above 20-50kb takes a very, very long time.

If it's going to be implemented, it has to be an opt-in feature, otherwise you're going to have angry people everywhere.

awsumben13, on 03 January 2015 - 06:23 PM said:

4.9 for text rendering without the window API vs 16.25 with the window API is quite a significant difference, and as I'll be implementing my own window system, the old one will just be a drain on resources.

Doing this won't have any negative effects that I can think of, as I'll run rednet in a Nova process, and other than that, multishell/bios etc doesn't implement anything that Nova won't.

awsumben13, on 03 January 2015 - 09:01 PM said:

I'm sure that if there is a performance increase of me using my own windows, it will be minimal, but it will still be better than running my windows on top of the default CC ones.

As for the app store, I am tempted to use ccappstore, particularly now I've decided how the new app system will work. However, I have someone (ByteMe) working on an app store already, so I'm not sure.

DannySMc, on 04 January 2015 - 12:42 AM said:

awsumben13, on 03 January 2015 - 09:01 PM said:

I'm sure that if there is a performance increase of me using my own windows, it will be minimal, but it will still be better than running my windows on top of the default CC ones.

As for the app store, I am tempted to use ccappstore, particularly now I've decided how the new app system will work. However, I have someone (ByteMe) working on an app store already, so I'm not sure.

I already have a PHP based app store working with API :D/>

oeed, on 04 January 2015 - 03:55 AM said:

DannySMc, on 04 January 2015 - 12:42 AM said:

awsumben13, on 03 January 2015 - 09:01 PM said:

I'm sure that if there is a performance increase of me using my own windows, it will be minimal, but it will still be better than running my windows on top of the default CC ones.

As for the app store, I am tempted to use ccappstore, particularly now I've decided how the new app system will work. However, I have someone (ByteMe) working on an app store already, so I'm not sure.

I already have a PHP based app store working with API :D/>/>/>

I've been talking on Skype with awsumben and he seems to have decided to my app store and may also assist in updating to remove many of the bugs and issues, as well as a new coat of paint.

ByteMe, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 AM said:

oeed, on 04 January 2015 - 03:55 AM said:

DannySMc, on 04 January 2015 - 12:42 AM said:

awsumben13, on 03 January 2015 - 09:01 PM said:

I'm sure that if there is a performance increase of me using my own windows, it will be minimal, but it will still be better than running my windows on top of the default CC ones.

As for the app store, I am tempted to use ccappstore, particularly now I've decided how the new app system will work. However, I have someone (ByteMe) working on an app store already, so I'm not sure.

I already have a PHP based app store working with API :D/>/>/>

I've been talking on Skype with awsumben and he seems to have decided to my app store and may also assist in updating to remove many of the bugs and issues, as well as a new coat of paint.

That coat of paint by me :D/>

DannySMc, on 05 January 2015 - 09:49 AM said:

That's good but make an API for it so EVERYONE can use it, and yes a new design would be nice considering it doesn't work at all and it just errors when you attempt to download a program. Also if you are gonna make an app store make some kind of way to get a self-validating process instead of waiting for you to say if you like it or not 'cause this becomes annoying…:D/>

DannySMc, on 05 January 2015 - 09:49 AM said:

That's good but make an API for it so EVERYONE can use it, and yes a new design would be nice considering it doesn't work at all and it just errors when you attempt to download a program. Also if you are gonna make an app store make some kind of way to get a self-validating process instead of waiting for you to say if you like it or not 'cause this becomes annoying… :D/>

MKlegoman357, on 05 January 2015 - 01:54 PM said:

There's a problem in self-validating process that anyone could simply make a virus or a program which just doesn't work. BTW, CCAppStore's validation is broken, or was(?). When I put my RedFile program on it I somehow managed to validate it myself… Anyway, the best thing about Oeed's appstore is that he uses probably the best domain name: ccappstore.com :D/>

Lyqyd, on 19 January 2015 - 10:15 PM said:

Your third idea would be significantly slower than doing the tasks on just one computer.

ByteMe, on 19 January 2015 - 10:27 PM said:

If you take away the icons and add text based menus it starts to become like every other OS.

thedemonbean, on 26 January 2015 - 07:20 PM said:

How do I setup webserver for other pcs properly?

1. Hold ctrl-s to shut the computer down.
2. Press Nova (top left), press the shutdown icon, then select "Logout"

Ninja8370, on 29 January 2015 - 05:58 PM said:

okay, thnks :)/> Also on the last page I saw a post about an advanced login system with animations and stuff. That's awesome!
Question: Since Lua is a real programming language, wouldn't it be possible to install the Nova OS onto a real computer?
(An old one of course so I don't break a computer I'm using)

It would be cool if I could help with this, but I don't know much about Lua (yet)
Right now it's the end of the marking period, and I got 3 Spanish exams to do :unsure:/> But at the beginning of next marking period I can go back to 5 courses a day and I'll have extra time to work on learning Lua then. I thought it would be interesting to see if I could have an (in-game) webserver that could have a multiplayer game on it that other people connected to the network could play. But I don't know much about Lua yet so I don't know how difficult this is or if it's even possible. If I did finally get to work on it, I think I'd make it compatible with the Nova OS. :)/>

Also is it possible (with the current version) to connect Nova to a monitor and use that?

oeed, on 01 March 2015 - 09:04 PM said:

Man your animations are smooth….

I really need to figure that out.

wieselkatze, on 17 March 2015 - 05:47 PM said:

Greetings. I just decided to have a look on this, as it seems to be very popular atm :P/>
First bug I encountered: When you download a fresh copy of the OS and try to create an account without a username and password it crashes ( Session.lua:121: attempt to index ? (a nil value) ).
Also your editor doesn't seem to handle multiline comments or strings very well - here an example:

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Also it kinda messes with them - if I put a multiline comment in my program, save it, close it and open it, it just displays them as "–" - don't know if this is intended to save disk space, but definitely not useful from my point of view ^^
Regarding NovaPaint I noticed you could select different colors for left- and right click. Color picking works, but when drawing the right mouse button just uses the color for the left one.
Additionally the layer selection doesn't seem to work - even if I selected the layer that's magenta the green one overlaps:

Mikk809h, on 17 March 2015 - 05:59 PM said:

Well.. im not sure, but it might be because Ben, didnt add support for the "[=[" (the equal sign) yet.

wieselkatze, on 17 March 2015 - 05:47 PM said:

Greetings. I just decided to have a look on this, as it seems to be very popular atm :P/>
First bug I encountered: When you download a fresh copy of the OS and try to create an account without a username and password it crashes ( Session.lua:121: attempt to index ? (a nil value) ).
Also your editor doesn't seem to handle multiline comments or strings very well - here an example:

Image

Also it kinda messes with them - if I put a multiline comment in my program, save it, close it and open it, it just displays them as "–" - don't know if this is intended to save disk space, but definitely not useful from my point of view ^^
Regarding NovaPaint I noticed you could select different colors for left- and right click. Color picking works, but when drawing the right mouse button just uses the color for the left one.
Additionally the layer selection doesn't seem to work - even if I selected the layer that's magenta the green one overlaps:

Image

I also couldn't get saving working.
Furthermore by deleting the only account that's on the computer you won't be able to use the system anymore as you only get the message 'corrupt user' and thus are unable to login - maybe a protection for that?

Anyways - this looks very promising and is definitely nice to use ( haven't tested it on a server yet ). A problem might be the massive disk usage of 624KB - I'm sure there would be a way to compress the whole thing :)/>

LDDestroier, on 17 March 2015 - 06:40 PM said:

I recommend adding a [alt] button or two on the calculator to add extra function that otherwise would not fit. Then asin, atan, acos, deg(rees), rad(ians), cube root, rounding, unit conversions, logarithms, the loneliest number (1), and modulo could fit onto the app. If you don't add all that crap though, please at least add an [alt] or [shft] button nonetheless, just in case. And add algebraic solving! And the ability to type letters onto the screen and not just numbers, for variables.

awsumben13, on 17 March 2015 - 07:53 PM said:

Good idea. I'll make a button that switches the 'page' so the buttons move to the right/left, like on the homescreen. Not sure about the variable stuff though. If you look in .nova/apps/Calculator/tokens.lua, you'll see that it assumes the syntax is virtually perfect when it evaluates as incorrect input isn't allowed. Making it accept variables could cause problems, but I'll look into it. If I did, should abc be a valid variable name, or should that mean a * b * c?

awsumben13, on 18 March 2015 - 03:52 PM said:

Already planning on adding timezones, and it's as simple as passing in a GMT offset to the time getter. I'll probably make it so you can right click the time and it will show different timezones.

awsumben13, on 23 March 2015 - 04:52 PM said:

Taking another break. Sorry.

Right now I'm re-working the UI stuff of Nova because I really don't like how I did the gfx2D package. Now I'm working on this.

Hopefully, with drawables implemented, drawing things scaled and rotated will be easy as pie. I'll also revamp the UI library to take rotation and scale into account, and handle key events better.

CrazedProgrammer, on 23 March 2015 - 07:09 PM said:

awsumben13, on 23 March 2015 - 04:52 PM said:

Taking another break. Sorry.

Right now I'm re-working the UI stuff of Nova because I really don't like how I did the gfx2D package. Now I'm working on this.

Hopefully, with drawables implemented, drawing things scaled and rotated will be easy as pie. I'll also revamp the UI library to take rotation and scale into account, and handle key events better.

Awesome!
Did you look at my code for the Surface API, like the scaling and rotating?
If so, I'm glad I could help the development of one of the best OSes on this forum.

Ninja8370, on 23 April 2015 - 12:39 PM said:

-snip-

HPWebcamAble, on 23 April 2015 - 11:37 PM said:

Ninja8370, on 23 April 2015 - 12:39 PM said:

-snip-

In the ComputerCraft Config, you should be able to change the max storage space of computers / floppy disks

awsumben13, on 26 May 2015 - 10:09 PM said:

Sorry :S On this plus side, my new project will make up for it, I'm sure.

ItsRodrick, on 27 May 2015 - 12:03 AM said:

Cought his github Cought

LDDestroier, on 01 June 2015 - 05:55 PM said:

ItsRodrick, on 27 May 2015 - 12:03 AM said:

Cought his github Cought

Damn you're right, I didn't even look at the github. Looking…is it Sutron?

Spoiler

I apologise for the mess. I'm just testing at the moment. (Oh and the weird black thing is an image).

Fancy eh? It's crazy what working with a higher resolution allows, and how much harder it all is!

LDDestroier, on 01 June 2015 - 05:55 PM said:

ItsRodrick, on 27 May 2015 - 12:03 AM said:

Cought his github Cought

Damn you're right, I didn't even look at the github. Looking…is it Sutron?

Spoiler

CrazedProgrammer, on 01 June 2015 - 06:16 PM said:

It's Flare.
Flare is a GUI framework like Bedrock but much better.

Creator, on 18 June 2015 - 10:04 PM said:

Why is everybody abandoning OSes? It ain't confirmed that the new graphics'll be as good as we suppose.

Why is everybody abandoning OSes? It ain't confirmed that the new graphics'll be as good as we suppose.

And the internal mechanism stay the same. Except if you OS is built ontop of graphics.

Under everybody, I meant Awsum and oeed.

oeed, on 19 June 2015 - 09:36 AM said:

Creator, on 18 June 2015 - 10:04 PM said:

Why is everybody abandoning OSes? It ain't confirmed that the new graphics'll be as good as we suppose.

Why is everybody abandoning OSes? It ain't confirmed that the new graphics'll be as good as we suppose.

And the internal mechanism stay the same. Except if you OS is built ontop of graphics.

Under everybody, I meant Awsum and oeed.

Well Silica is actually far more advanced that both Bedrock and Nova. The events system is incredibly powerful. The class system allows for amazingly advanced things. And of course the drawing system is, although still being worked on heavily, freakin' awesome.

Worst case scenario, we have to dial back the graphics a bit. But given all the screenshots, we think we're on the right track.

So don't worry. Whatever comes of this will be stupendously awesome.

Creator, on 19 June 2015 - 10:08 AM said:

- snip -

Do you mean it looks better?

class "Container" extends "View" {
children = {};
interfaceOutlets = {};
offsetX = 0;
offsetY = 0;
}

oeed, on 19 June 2015 - 10:14 AM said:

Creator, on 19 June 2015 - 10:08 AM said:

- snip -

Do you mean it looks better?

It both looks better and allows more functionality with less work. For example, in Bedrock you couldn't simply subscribe an on-screen object to an event. It only got events with special functions (OnClick, OnDrag, etc). In Silica there is an event system that subscribe to a global event (i.e. click anywhere) and hit tested events. You can also cancel their propagation.

Classes have things like super, getters, setters and a cool declaration format:

class "Container" extends "View" {
children = {};
interfaceOutlets = {};
offsetX = 0;
offsetY = 0;
}

So not, it's not just 'prettier', although it certainly will be.

awsumben13, on 03 July 2015 - 11:37 AM said:

Yeah, when we're finished with Silica, or at least have it at an acceptable state, we'll start working on an OS that will probably be the first of its kind.

You may have seen the mockups, and even the actual rendering of Silica now - it's getting close to a release I'd say. As a result, we're going to start discussing the all important name, the kernel, and eventually how the OS will work (GUI interfaces, developer APIs, multitasking systems, etc). All I can say for sure is that Nova and OneOS will look like a 100 line shell in comparison.

If you're interested in the project, want to give any suggestions/feedback, or have any questions, the Gitter chat is the place to be.

awsumben13, on 03 July 2015 - 01:20 PM said:

Great, even less for us to do :P/>/>

DannySMc, on 03 July 2015 - 12:19 PM said:

awsumben13, on 03 July 2015 - 11:37 AM said:

Yeah, when we're finished with Silica, or at least have it at an acceptable state, we'll start working on an OS that will probably be the first of its kind.

You may have seen the mockups, and even the actual rendering of Silica now - it's getting close to a release I'd say. As a result, we're going to start discussing the all important name, the kernel, and eventually how the OS will work (GUI interfaces, developer APIs, multitasking systems, etc). All I can say for sure is that Nova and OneOS will look like a 100 line shell in comparison.

If you're interested in the project, want to give any suggestions/feedback, or have any questions, the Gitter chat is the place to be.

Yeah oeed asked to use my App Store in the OS, which would be awesome, I said I have an API and he said he would use that

Sandstorm, on 04 July 2015 - 08:20 AM said:

DannySMc, on 03 July 2015 - 12:19 PM said:

awsumben13, on 03 July 2015 - 11:37 AM said:

Yeah, when we're finished with Silica, or at least have it at an acceptable state, we'll start working on an OS that will probably be the first of its kind.

You may have seen the mockups, and even the actual rendering of Silica now - it's getting close to a release I'd say. As a result, we're going to start discussing the all important name, the kernel, and eventually how the OS will work (GUI interfaces, developer APIs, multitasking systems, etc). All I can say for sure is that Nova and OneOS will look like a 100 line shell in comparison.

If you're interested in the project, want to give any suggestions/feedback, or have any questions, the Gitter chat is the place to be.

Yeah oeed asked to use my App Store in the OS, which would be awesome, I said I have an API and he said he would use that

Really not the topic for this, but meh. Thanks for offering up so many APIs, especially the App Store. It is just a breeze and lets everyone share resources, so woohoo! :D/>

Atenefyr, on 07 July 2015 - 12:01 AM said:

Typing a single character in CraftOS in 1.74 seems to break. I'm using an emulator, not sure if that effects anything

awsumben13, on 08 July 2015 - 11:31 PM said:

DannySMc has contacted me about updating Nova, and I've agreed that he will continue development, at least until I get back into it.

awsumben13, on 09 July 2015 - 03:45 PM said:

Broken image?

awsumben13, on 09 July 2015 - 04:21 PM said:

Yeah, for some reason, they don't show up in the lua prompt. No idea why tbh, but you can still use them in programs. Hopefully Danny will find a fix soon.

DannySMc, on 09 July 2015 - 05:31 PM said:

awsumben13, on 09 July 2015 - 04:21 PM said:

Yeah, for some reason, they don't show up in the lua prompt. No idea why tbh, but you can still use them in programs. Hopefully Danny will find a fix soon.

Ahh yeah I see the problem, Will create a fix.

awsumben13, on 04 November 2014 - 10:42 PM said:

• "I have forgotten the password to a file". Again, there is no way to get this back, and chances are, you have probably found the file is now complete garbage as it was decrypted with the wrong key resulting in a long string of weird characters. Sorry, but there is no way to get this back.