A little change for computers recipe

Hello, my suggestion is a little change for the computers recipe (tier1 and tier2). Instead of a simple redstone dust in the center, a diamond would be required. It's still easy to memorize but you need to find a diamond in order to craft your first computer. All others recipe would be the same, unchanged, even for pocket computers that I consider already correct, with a 8/9 gold ingot needed for the basic tier 1.

I suggest that because actuals recipes are really too easy, but it's not just that: with only one redstone dust required, it makes that all players on a server are able to build a lot of computer easily, which can slow the server and increase the risk of each computers are slowed down. With a diamond in the crafting, players will craft less computers and try to make their programs more powerful. ^^

That has some logic! The suggestion is nice. What convinced was the powerfull part

1. It is an appeal that ComputerCraft is trying to go for, cheap and easy;
2. Redstone makes sense, it can be used to make logic and circuits, and a computer is good for that too; and
3. Have you ever actually been on a long term or modded server? Diamonds are definitely not a rare resource;

1) Maybe, but ComputerCraft is an appeal of all other mods that don't just need a single redstone dust to do their stuffs. Especialy when computers don't need energy. At this moment, players are able to craft them really early (because redstone is easy to find) and a lot of times (because redstone is found in big quantities). With a single vein of redstone, you can easily craft more than 10 computers, and each of them are extremely powerful and consume together a lot of ressources from the server.

2) I know. Redstone makes sense when diamond makes no sence. I'm agree with you, but it's my only solution to make computers no longer too cheap to craft. Another solution would be a new item, like a redstone electronic circuit, that would needs for example 4 iron ingots (at each corners), 4 redstone dusts (top, left, right, bottom) and 1 diamond (in the center). But if you want to keep that simple, a single diamond is the solution. It does not make less sence than the apple for pocket computers.

3) Indeed, diamonds are not really rare, but players would think twice before crafting a lot of computers when only few can do the same things. Only one diamond is not too expensive either. You're still able to craft a lot of computers, but within reasonable limits this time.

I feel like making computers more efficient and causing less of a deadlock on servers should be a higher priority than attempting to deter people from crafting large quantities.

I don't know what to add, just recipes are too cheap for my server… you could add an option in the config maybe?

Just a couple of thoughts:

Making crafting more expensive doesn't work. I remember in the 'good old days' where most 'expensive' crafting recipes were a diamond of two. And then you get a mod that adds some sort of 'diamonds for days' feature, Energy Condensers, Laser Drills, quarries, etc… So to get properly expensive items you need a nether star instead - but you can automate Wither killing so you add a custom boss whose item you need for crafting (Gaia spirit) or you add some sort of really grindy item to get (Octuple compressed cobble). Most mods have already followed the 'make everything expensive' route and you just end up with a vicious cycle.

Also, Computers aren't that lag producing, not compared with most advanced ore processing systems. Computers are mostly paused unless someone has intentionally written code to bypass yield protection. If this is a real issue on your server you can always use one of the many recipe changing mods to edit it.

My idea was not making crafting too expansive. A nether star or more than one diamond would be really too expansive, in my opinion. No, my idea was really just making computers no longer too cheap. My goal was not to make computers late game or to deter players to craft a lot of them if they really need them, because diamond is really not a rare ressource. Another old mod, RedPower, had its computer cost 1 diamond block, it's really too expansive. But, I will say that if you consider that 1 diamond too expansive, I consider that only 1 redstone dust is too cheap. I'm sure there is something in the middle. ^^ A candidate could be for example, a redstone block instead of just a single dust? Or something more expansive than redstone but less than diamond? I really don't know, but I know that a nether star would be really too expansive, really.

If you want more expensive computers, you may want to look into open computers. There are a bunch of other differences between CC and OC but the most noticeable to me are the crafting recipes and power requirement. Another option is to use a mod which allows you to change recipes.

You really want that OpenComputers becomes an alternative of your mod juste because your recipes are too easy?
A simple option in the configs would be perfect for those consider your receipes too easy, like me.

ExDomino, on 20 May 2015 - 01:01 PM said:

You really want that OpenComputers becomes an alternative of your mod juste because your recipes are too easy?

Yep.

ExDomino, on 20 May 2015 - 01:01 PM said:

You really want that OpenComputers becomes an alternative of your mod juste because your recipes are too easy?
A simple option in the configs would be perfect for those consider your receipes too easy, like me.

Each mod is liked for something different. CC is liked for the simplicity, while OC is liked for the opposite. Honestly having multiple computers do not hurt the server anymore than one does. Even then computers are not really that powerful the most they can do to interact with the world is emit a redstone signal. However the exception to this is turtles, but even then they require fuel and they do require diamonds in the form of tools to be useful. The general uselessness of computers apart from cosmetic uses justifies the cheap recipe.

If you are by any chance running cauldron then there are numerous plugins that allow the changing of recipes somewhat effortlessly. I expect there would be mods that do this as well.

Don't forget there are people that would like recipes less cheap but don't want the complexity of OpenComputers.
A simple option in the config, disabled by default, would be apreciated. ^^

Have you tried using MineTweaker to change the recipes that you feel are incorrect?

Yes, it's presently what I'm using, but I wanted to send you the suggestion.

ExDomino, on 20 May 2015 - 11:59 AM said:

It does not make less sence than the apple for pocket computers.

That makes a lot of sense actually, ipones? It's some kind of joke I guess…

flaghacker, on 20 May 2015 - 06:44 PM said:

ExDomino, on 20 May 2015 - 11:59 AM said:

It does not make less sence than the apple for pocket computers.

That makes a lot of sense actually, ipones? It's some kind of joke I guess…

Dont start that war right there, stay on topic. I mean really, it is not worth it and in general it is just a preference of somebody.

That said, I dont think the recipe should be changed at all because the player can and should decide what he uses the computer for. Let's say someone wants to create a computer empire; it is viable, and lets say somebody thinks that computers are too overpowered for what the recipe is worth. One can then simply decide not to take the computer and do it his own way, but way did he install this mod then?

For me this mod isn't about survivaling and let robots do my work, for instance I have never created a computer through survival simply because when I was active with Lua and on this forum, I was just creating programs for the fun of programming and not for minecraft. This mod makes it so easy to learn programming and get into it how deep you want to, and that for simply installing a mod.

I also don't think the recipe should be changed, CC is meant to be easy to use. You can install OpenComputers instead…

And how Lyqyd said, he can simply install MineTweaker.