Web Browser Project

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Scripting Language:
This will be like a jQuery type language which will need a custom parser for it, and I have to admit new languages and parsers are not my thing so the help would be very appreciated.

-- Basic event handling. Iterates through each element
-- Add an event handler to all buttons
query("input[type=submit]"):onClick(function(self, event) print("A button was clicked"))

-- Metatable magic to allow setting values on multiple elements
-- Set all paragraphs to red
query("p").color = colors.red

-- And some basic mapping/selection
-- Remove all span elements starting with "foo"
query("span"):filter(function(x) x.text:sub(1, 3) == "foo"):remove()

SquidDev, on 10 February 2016 - 06:14 PM said:

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DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 06:46 PM said:

What is lambda? (Excuse my ignorance)

-- Lua
local y = function(x) return x.name == "Hello" end
// C#/Javascript
y = x => x.name == "Hello"
# Python
y = lambda x: x.name == "Hello"

KingofGamesYami, on 10 February 2016 - 08:14 PM said:

I won't be able to contribute a ton, but if you need any sort of metatable help, feel free to ask. Metatables are my favorite thing to play with :P/>.

Creator, on 10 February 2016 - 08:33 PM said:

I don't disapprove of metatables, but they are slow af.

ardera, on 10 February 2016 - 09:18 PM said:

Creator, on 10 February 2016 - 08:33 PM said:

I don't disapprove of metatables, but they are slow af.

Sometimes you need them.

Creator, on 10 February 2016 - 07:47 PM said:

Can you add me? I agree with what SquidDev said. Just Lua. If we aim too high, were never gonna acheive anything.

SquidDev, on 10 February 2016 - 08:33 PM said:

If you are going for the server side of things it might be worth considering a templating language such as Mustache (a Lua implementation exists) or etlua. However I'd recommend starting with a simple rednet/HTTP server and then transitioning to dynamic sites later: it isn't a priority.

KingofGamesYami, on 10 February 2016 - 08:14 PM said:

I won't be able to contribute a ton, but if you need any sort of metatable help, feel free to ask. Metatables are my favorite thing to play with :P/>.

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 10:38 PM said:

-snip-

Just one note I want to use my git server so please if you can send me an email and I shall set you up a username and password :D/> It is just like github :P/> I am using this because I would rather keep it on my own server :P/>.

wilcomega, on 11 February 2016 - 08:35 AM said:

Count me in!

MKlegoman357, on 11 February 2016 - 07:53 AM said:

Since I've made Frames (which I should really finish and post here..) I have expirience with dynamic objects, like in HTML. One thing that should be noted before starting the project: mmake the most lightweight class system you possibly can (you are going to use OOP, right?). The very first version of Frames used a super cool class system but it was so slow that it needed about one second to load and barely handled just 20 objects. In the next version I switched to using a lightweight class system and now it can handle a few hundred objects with no lag.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 12:39 AM said:

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 10:38 PM said:

-snip-

Just one note I want to use my git server so please if you can send me an email and I shall set you up a username and password :D/>/>/> It is just like github :P/>/>/> I am using this because I would rather keep it on my own server :P/>/>/>.

Why? Do you have any special reasons? And if you do, do you plan on accepting git am patches? Because if so the only reason to use your own server is to complicate things.


also pls no html that thing is horribly broken.

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Markup Language:
This will be like basic html with the usual html tags, but I have a parser that should fix all of that for us, and we can make additions to add new bits. I then hope to make a basic language that is simple, not too different but still a change from HTML. I want to be able to support most new image formats, and even see if it is possible to embed videos in it (It's a long shot, but who knows).

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Scripting Language:
This will be like a jQuery type language which will need a custom parser for it, and I have to admit new languages and parsers are not my thing so the help would be very appreciated.

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Preprocessor Language:
This will basically be a class, with includes modules, allowing you to use flat file based storage instead of databases, which then store data in your drive. The idea is that you can send a request and the PHP will parse the bits of code and output the result using the provided modules.

Wojbie, on 11 February 2016 - 11:04 AM said:

Your post got me thinking and while i am unable to join something at this time due to time limitations i am facing i just wanted to drop some ideas i had reading this topic.

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Markup Language:
This will be like basic html with the usual html tags, but I have a parser that should fix all of that for us, and we can make additions to add new bits. I then hope to make a basic language that is simple, not too different but still a change from HTML. I want to be able to support most new image formats, and even see if it is possible to embed videos in it (It's a long shot, but who knows).

Videos part reminded me about gif apis by BombBloke:
http://www.computerc.../23056-gif-api/
and
http://www.computerc...76-blittle-api/
Could be used to play gifs in page. But to use that is related to next idea

@ This is what I had in mind! Using some gif apis and some image apis, to just output images :D/>/>/>

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Scripting Language:
This will be like a jQuery type language which will need a custom parser for it, and I have to admit new languages and parsers are not my thing so the help would be very appreciated.

This i could see using html tag. Simply run in sandbox lua code provided inside the tags providing it with some kind of api for modifying site as it goes? By limiting and setting what functions it can use you could really make it a powerful thing. Per example providing it with access to apis mentioned above you could insert gifs into page? It of course would require separating script part from website drawing part so script runs in background of page so to say.

@ Yes this is easily done, making it so the parser ignores script tags, and I was thinking when the parser turns it into objects, each object could have methods, to move, change, transform etc the text.

DannySMc, on 10 February 2016 - 05:48 PM said:

Preprocessor Language:
This will basically be a class, with includes modules, allowing you to use flat file based storage instead of databases, which then store data in your drive. The idea is that you can send a request and the PHP will parse the bits of code and output the result using the provided modules.

This could be even implemented using same idea as one above but using <!–?php ?–> syntax inside the page (and keeping it server-side of course).
EDIT: After reading stuff again i realized you plan to host it on real website. So people would just use real php here. Wopsies ;D

@ This is my idea, so I have started working on that when someone connects to a website, it will get all their information, like IP, user agent (Of course this is set on the program), and device (pocket, turtle, or computer), and even use stored cookies / sessions, all of this is sent up with the request meaning that everything is always there for each request and this would be done in the actual browser code :P/>/>/>. If we use xml, we can use a quick checker, to remove any kind of malicious code, and then use basic PHP files with the XML, meaning it would run the PHP and give back the XML. So we could say you could do

<?php echo $query("USER")->ip; ?>

and that would echo the IP etc etc.

wilcomega, on 11 February 2016 - 01:17 PM said:

JQuery extends Javascript, and Javascript is like lua, except it implemented OOP in a really wierd way
I would say just use Lua for on page scripting and preprocessing, or even be able to script the server like NodeJS

DannySMc, on 11 February 2016 - 09:17 AM said:

-more snip-

I use my own git server, because it's my project and I do not use github. Like I said you don't have to help but I will use my git server, for my project… Plus I prefer using it over github as I can set it to private so no one else can see the project, where as github I would have to pay. Plus there are many other reasons I plan to use it, but if you end up helping then you will see, otherwise you won't.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 03:42 PM said:

DannySMc, on 11 February 2016 - 09:17 AM said:

-more snip-

I use my own git server, because it's my project and I do not use github. Like I said you don't have to help but I will use my git server, for my project… Plus I prefer using it over github as I can set it to private so no one else can see the project, where as github I would have to pay. Plus there are many other reasons I plan to use it, but if you end up helping then you will see, otherwise you won't.

Then you're accepting am patches?

• Don't have the patience to read the git-format-patch(1) and git-am(1) man pages
• Aren't very experienced in the open source software world.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 04:00 PM said:

From that sentence I can deduce you:

• Don't have the patience to read the git-format-patch(1) and git-am(1) man pages
• Aren't very experienced in the open source software world.

A patch is literally just a pull request. It's how people submit changes across repositories.
If you didn't know that, I suggest you stick with GitHub.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 04:00 PM said:

From that sentence I can deduce you:

• Don't have the patience to read the git-format-patch(1) and git-am(1) man pages
• Aren't very experienced in the open source software world.

A patch is literally just a pull request. It's how people submit changes across repositories.
If you didn't know that, I suggest you stick with GitHub.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 09:56 PM said:

Nobody. But git is open source. As is basically every git using project ever.

Point still stands.

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 09:56 PM said:

But git is open source.

ardera, on 11 February 2016 - 10:27 PM said:

FUNCTION MAN!, on 11 February 2016 - 09:56 PM said:

But git is open source.

Git is a "distributed version control system" (as it says on the website). The use (open source, closed source) of this version control system is specificated nowhere on the website, meaning you can use it for whatever kind of project you want.

Mayushii, on 12 February 2016 - 02:00 AM said:

Should have more than just rednet related servers, I want servers that can be cross-server and public.

luascript { display: none; }

Wojbie, on 12 February 2016 - 10:28 AM said:

Speaking of keeping websites on server. I would suggest instead of using the <script> tag to instead use custom <luascript> tag and add

luascript { display: none; }

To site css. Also make the CC browser not display contents of both tags by default. This way it would be possible to make website that would be usable from both inside computercraft and in real life browsers. by just providing 2 scripts in code one in lua in <luascript> for cc browser and javascript one in <script> for real world one. Just something that jumped at my head today.

<?lua
    print("example");
?>

oeed, on 13 February 2016 - 12:00 PM said:

Interested to see how this goes. You mentioned using a more basic form of markup, which essentially is what Quest is (although I know you're intending to go further), but why not just try and stick as close to HTML as possible and instead target CraftOS 2?

oeed, on 13 February 2016 - 12:00 PM said:

Interested to see how this goes. You mentioned using a more basic form of markup, which essentially is what Quest is (although I know you're intending to go further), but why not just try and stick as close to HTML as possible and instead target CraftOS 2?

DannySMc, on 13 February 2016 - 04:55 PM said:

CraftOS 2.0, we will support it but currently we have nothing to test on? Nothing to check the API's or see the screen size and what we can do with it? Unless I have missed something but I don't see the point of making something for a platform that may be completely different? When it is out?

ardera, on 13 February 2016 - 06:36 PM said:

DannySMc, on 13 February 2016 - 04:55 PM said:

CraftOS 2.0, we will support it but currently we have nothing to test on? Nothing to check the API's or see the screen size and what we can do with it? Unless I have missed something but I don't see the point of making something for a platform that may be completely different? When it is out?

I think what oeed meant is that we should try and make it as easy as possible to port it to CraftOS 2.0 when it's released. For example, not setting 51x19 as the hardcoded resolution (CraftOS 2.0 uses 320x200), accepting a 256 color palette, supporting hovering mouse cursors and different cursor designs, etc

DannySMc, on 13 February 2016 - 04:55 PM said:

CraftOS 2.0, we will support it but currently we have nothing to test on? Nothing to check the API's or see the screen size and what we can do with it? Unless I have missed something but I don't see the point of making something for a platform that may be completely different? When it is out?

oeed, on 13 February 2016 - 10:10 PM said:

DannySMc, on 13 February 2016 - 04:55 PM said:

CraftOS 2.0, we will support it but currently we have nothing to test on? Nothing to check the API's or see the screen size and what we can do with it? Unless I have missed something but I don't see the point of making something for a platform that may be completely different? When it is out?

I've been developing Silica for the past 8 months, it's quite possible.

You can use the emulator on the Silica GitHub page, it works just like any other emulator.